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Old 03-09-2005, 08:03 AM  
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Andre Dyson

I've noticed a lot of people jumping on the Dyson bandwagon since Rolle dropped off the list. I honestly don't understand why. The guy is a marginal, one-dimensional CB. While he's fast, and pretty solid against the pass, he's nothing special. He's short (5' 10") and small-framed (183). He's a liability against the run, and gets easily shoved off by bigger WRs.

This guy is not the answer. If you think McCleon was a bad aquisition, then you shouldn't think much more of Dyson. He's faster and younger, but not much better. I question whether he would even bump Warfield out of the #1 spot. He definately does not fit the Gunther prototype for CB.

Considering that some of you are still clinging to the idea that we are going to get two more FAs, maybe he fits simply due to his price tag. Other than that, I see no reason to be interested. He may be an upgrade over McCleon and Bartee, but in a year or two, you'll be wishing we could upgrade over Dyson. We need an impact CB, not a band-aid.

Mark me down as a card carrying memberof the "We Don't Want Dyson Club".
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:09 AM   #2
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1 simple reason... he's BETTER than anyone we have now!
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:10 AM   #3
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Actually, I've been on the Dyson bandwagon since the start of FA.

And I understand his limitations, but my belief is that you improve the D most dramatically by improving the front 7.

Our LB corps, even with the Bell signing is just not good enough.
We still need to add talent there.

Fix the front 7 first, then fix the secondary, where Dyson is an affordable option.
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:14 AM   #4
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Rolle had nothing to do with it...


In a year or two, Dyson will be the least of our worries. We will be in a bottom-up rebuild. Our Offensive stars will be gone, or OL will be retiring and the new coaching staff will be putting their stamp on the team.

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Old 03-09-2005, 08:14 AM   #5
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1 simple reason... he's BETTER than anyone we have now!
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:17 AM   #6
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He's worked out well for me on Madden '05 ...



Seriously, though, Surtain would be my first choice at CB from those who are left, with Law being #2.

Of course, I still want Hartwell, but I ain't holding my breath.

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Old 03-09-2005, 08:18 AM   #7
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:21 AM   #8
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1 simple reason... he's BETTER than anyone we have now!
McCleon was better than Bartee...are you glad we got him?

IMO, Dyson should be a "last resort" signing. If Law doesn't pass the physical, and we can't get a contract deal with Surtain, then maybe we look at Dyson.

I honestly believe the same people that are clamoring for him now will be cursing the signing later.
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:22 AM   #9
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Actually, I've been on the Dyson bandwagon since the start of FA.

And I understand his limitations, but my belief is that you improve the D most dramatically by improving the front 7.

Our LB corps, even with the Bell signing is just not good enough.
We still need to add talent there.

Fix the front 7 first, then fix the secondary, where Dyson is an affordable option.
That's an argument for a different thread....
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:23 AM   #10
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Dyson would be an upgrade over Warfield. The McCleon/Bartee comparison is invalid: BOTH of those guys suck.
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:24 AM   #11
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Dyson would be an upgrade over Warfield.
Nonsense. What are you basing that statement on? I'm curious where everyone got the idea that Dyson was so good.

FWIW it's worth, I think it's all just arguement for the Fans's sake. There's no way Gun brings in Dyson.
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:29 AM   #12
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Nonsense. What are you basing that statement on? I'm curious where everyone got the idea that Dyson was so good.

FWIW it's worth, I think it's all just arguement for the Fans's sake. There's no way Gun brings in Dyson.
1) He's a TRUE CORNER (not a converted safety? wow, novel concept)
2) 6 INTs last season; 4 the year before that; averages are nearly identical/a bit above Warfield's and equal to ROlle's (you know, our missed saviour) across the board
3) Won't have to sit out games due to the inability to call a cab
4) Doesn't puss-out on tackles like Mr "Excuse me, would you please step out of bounds now?" Warfield
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:34 AM   #13
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Seriously, though, Surtain would be my first choice at CB from those who are left, with Law being #2.

Of course, I still want Hartwell, but I ain't holding my breath.

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Old 03-09-2005, 08:34 AM   #14
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1) He's a TRUE CORNER
2) 6 INTs last season; 4 the year before that; averages are nearly identical/a bit above Warfield's and equal to ROlle's (you know, our missed saviour) across the board
3) Won't have to sit out games due to the inability to call a cab
4) Doesn't puss-out on tackles like Mr "Excuse me, would you please step out of bounds now?" Warfield
1. What the hell does that mean?
2. Dexter McCleon '03...6 INTs, 55 tackles, SUCKS. Stats don't tell the whole story.
3. Warfield isn't going anywhere. Dyson doesn't change that.
4. Really? He just gets knocked on his ass at the line of scrimmage, or dragged down the field by the 95% of NFL WRs that are bigger than him.

My arguement isn't that we don't need a CB. It's simply that Dyson is not the guy we want. We need to get Surtain, or Law if he's physically capable.
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:35 AM   #15
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That's an argument for a different thread....
No it's not.
You asked why we're on the Dyson bandwagon, and I gave you my reasons.

He's an affordable option, that allows us to address other more, IMO, pressing needs.
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