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Old 03-19-2005, 06:18 AM  
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King Carl's Drafting Success. The Planet Decides.

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You don't have to break it down like I did, but I was curious about our overall success, or lack of it, regarding our drafts. Overall, CP did better than what I thought (I thought it'd be a grade of "D"). He didn't do much better, but better...
I assigned a letter grade to each year, then added the letter grade's point value and divided it by 16 (# of years CP's drafted for us). My overall total average for CP was 2.01875, which is a "C". I tried to be as fair as possible.
If anyone gets really bored, use the following GPA scoring system to grade the overall draft:
A = 4.0
A- = 3.7
B+ = 3.3
B = 3.0
B- = 2.7
C+ = 2.3 . . .
C = 2.0
C- = 1.7
D+ = 1.3
D = 1.0
E = 0
King Ego's 1st three rounds selections since he took over:
1989
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 4 Derrick Thomas DE Alabama
2 32 Mike Elkins QB Wake Forest
3 60 Nasrallah Worthen WR North Carolina State
GRADE:A-
If the only person CP drafted in '89 was DT, he would get an A, but he wasted the two following picks on losers. Props to getting DT.
1990
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 13 Percy Snow ILB Michigan State
2 40 Tim Grunhard C Notre Dame
4 96 Fred Jones WR Grambling
GRADE:C- With the 13th overall pick, we get Percy Snow??? :blink: Great move CP :angry: Grunny was a very good selection, so props on getting him.
1991
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 21 Harvey Williams RB Louisiana State
2 50 Joe Valerio G Pennsylvania
3 77 Tim Barnett WR Jackson State
GRADE: D
1992
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 20 Dale Carter CB Tennessee
2 40 Matt Blundin QB Virginia
GRADE: A- Carter was an awesome selection, but then we got Blundin
1993
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
3 74 Will Shields G Nebraska
GRADE: A Shields has been a superstar for us. Props to CP
1994
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 25 Greg Hill RB Texas A&M
2 58 Donnell Bennett FB Miami
3 92 Lake Dawson WR Notre Dame
3 96 Chris Penn WR Tulsa
GRADE: D
1995
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 31 Trezelle Jenkins T Michigan
3 81 Tamarick Vanover WR Florida State
3 97 Troy Dumas LB Nebraska
GRADE D: Vanover was a good KR/PR, that's it.
1996
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 28 Jerome Woods FS Memphis
2 58 Reggie Tongue SS Oregon State
3 68 John Browning NT West Virginia
GRADE B: Woods and Tongue were arguable CP's best 1st 2 picks up to this point.
1997
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 13 Tony Gonzalez TE California
2 47 Kevin Lockett WR Kansas State
GRADE: A- Gonzo was a great selection. Lockett: not-so-great
1998
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 27 Victor Riley T Auburn
3 88 Rashaan Shehee RB Washington
GRADE: D Riley was mediocre, at best. Shehee was a joke.
1999
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 14 John Tait T Brigham Young
2 54 Michael Cloud RB Boston College
3 75 Gary Stills DE West Virginia
GRADE C+: Remember reading about CP swearing at Tait during negotiations...and Tait's a Mormon. Dumbass. Stills is a great ST player.
2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 21 Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State
2 54 William Bartee CB Oklahoma
3 85 Greg Wesley SS Arkansas-Pine Bluff
GRADE: D It would have been an F is they didn't draft Wesley, but if you look at what a waste the 1st 2 picks are, it would arguably be an F.
2001
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
3 75 Eric Downing DT Syracuse
3 77 Marvin Minnis WR Florida State
GRADE F Downing is about as worthless as Sims. Minnis??

2002
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 6 Ryan Sims DT North Carolina
2 43 Eddie Freeman DE Ala.-Birmingham
GRADE: F- I wish there was a lower grade than F- :hmmmmmmm:
2003
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 27 Larry Johnson RB Penn State
2 47 Kawika Mitchell MLB South Florida
3 92 Julian Battle CB Tennessee
GRADE B Priest's questionable hip saved CP this year. Mitchell and Battle havent blossomed into the players we hoped.
2004
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 36 Junior Siavii NT Oregon
2 61 Kris Wilson TE Pittsburgh
3 93 Keyaron Fox OLB Georgia Tech
GRADE C+: Siavii is still raw. Wilson might be a great player, but we really needed D on this pick. Fox was rarely used outside of ST.
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Old 03-19-2005, 06:48 AM   #2
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Yes there are the D.T. & Gonzo's .... but many of those drafts you only listed the first couple rounds ... to grade high there must be probowl players along with a bunch of blue collar/bring your lunch bucket type players to fill up the roster .... there are not enough of either kind...

I notice most others are giving him an F ... that was my first reaction but there is enough Dale Carter types to keep it from being a total failure.

But, he is a long way from being successful in the draft business.

I thought his drafts were bad but didn't realize they are as bad as they are until you see it in black and white!!!

That is why we are all on pens and needles hoping to get Surtain and then 2nd. tier D players... should have come from the draft... but he was a failure.
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Old 03-19-2005, 06:49 AM   #3
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Big Red ... if you can still edit the title of your post .... in light of the stats you posted ... should you not change the title to .....

Kingless .... he certainly not a king!!!
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Old 03-19-2005, 10:02 AM   #4
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If you count the four drafts since DV got here, he has drafted just 2 starters, 3 if you count Mitchell who won his spot by injury. They drafted much better, at least defensively when Marty was here. What has he done lately. It seems he's been drafting for depth on a team that still has alot of holes in the starting lineup. Tweeners, guys out of position and reaches.
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Old 03-19-2005, 10:04 AM   #5
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He has yet to DRAFT a FRANCHISE QB, RB or WR in 16 years..You would think most GM's could have at least done it by accident by now????...I love LJ so far but the verdict is still out on him. Grade F
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Old 03-19-2005, 10:21 AM   #6
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Old 03-19-2005, 12:04 PM   #7
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We suck at talent evaluation and as such we suck at the draft. Thats the only reason why trading for a proven player makes some sense. If we keep the pick we'll likely do something stupid with it anyway.

I gave CP a D, that might have been optamistic, but since Gonzo and Shields are HOF material they kind of scew his legacy a tad.
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Old 03-19-2005, 12:52 PM   #8
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In response to Percy Snow, He was a stud coming out of Michigan State. I remember seeing some draft warroom show that year and Schottenheimer was going ballistic on getting the kid.
In response to Sims, everyone was stoked on Sims, As a matter of fact ESPN barely did any coverage on him, because he was regarded as the best DL in the draft. The big search was who was on the 2nd best DL in the draft.

So there you go Carl got 2 studs out of college that didn't work out. If he had the benefit of hindsight like you do I'm sure he wouldn't pick them.

The thing that pisses me off about Carl is not when he drafts a college stud early and they flop.

It is when he drafts projects way too freaking early. Alot of players, he just creams all over himself over and gets them regardless of positioning.

It's almost like every pick he's trying to prove someone wrong.
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Old 03-19-2005, 12:56 PM   #9
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In response to Percy Snow, He was a stud coming out of Michigan State. I remember seeing some draft warroom show that year and Schottenheimer was going ballistic on getting the kid.
In response to Sims, everyone was stoked on Sims, As a matter of fact ESPN barely did any coverage on him, because he was regarded as the best DL in the draft. The big search was who was on the 2nd best DL in the draft.
Maybe Carl should get his own scouting department and quit watching ESPN so much. There were 5 teams ahead of the Chiefs that knew better than to take Simms.

Hell, the Vikqueens look like geniuses for not getting their pick up in time.
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Old 03-19-2005, 01:04 PM   #10
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The thing that pisses me off about Carl is not when he drafts a college stud early and they flop.

It is when he drafts projects way too freaking early. Alot of players, he just creams all over himself over and gets them regardless of positioning.

It's almost like every pick he's trying to prove someone wrong.
Yep.
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Old 03-19-2005, 01:14 PM   #11
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Old 03-19-2005, 01:33 PM   #12
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Maybe Carl should get his own scouting department and quit watching ESPN so much. There were 5 teams ahead of the Chiefs that knew better than to take Simms.

Hell, the Vikqueens look like geniuses for not getting their pick up in time.
Yeah, that's rationale. Do you think if any of their needs were at DT they would have hesitated to take him?
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I don't see why everyone bashes on the Percy Snow pick. At the time, it was a very good decision.

He won the Lombardi and the Butkus award and was the Most Valuable Player in the Rose Bowl.

No one could predict he would get injured in such a freak accident.
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I was excited about the Snow pick.
I thought he was going to be a stud in the NFL.
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I don't see why everyone bashes on the Percy Snow pick. At the time, it was a very good decision.

He won the Lombardi and the Butkus award and was the Most Valuable Player in the Rose Bowl.

No one could predict he would get injured in such a freak accident.
That's what I'm saying.

Sometimes studs don't work out.
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