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Old 03-20-2005, 08:00 AM  
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CP wants illegal contact rules amended!

Found this on the Star this morning ... Wonder if CP and DV will get thier wish ???


Pass-defense rules go too far, Chiefs say

Team suggests changes to NFL that it thinks would level playing field

By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star

The NFL got what it wanted last year when it emphasized the enforcement of rules regarding downfield contact in the passing game.

Offenses became hot again. Scoring was up. Yards were accumulated. Many people were smiling.

The points of emphasis, in our opinion, worked well, said Atlanta general manager Rich McKay, the co-chairman of the NFL's competition committee.

Not everyone agreed with McKay, and Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson was one. Peterson saw defenders being rendered at times helpless by the rules enforcement.

When defenses weren't being penalized for illegal contact beyond the 5-yard limit those penalties were up almost 250 percent from 2003 they permitted receivers wide berths to avoid the seemingly inevitable yellow flag from the officials.

So Peterson and the Chiefs are sponsoring a pair of proposals at this week's NFL meetings in Hawaii that would modify the passing rules and, they say, help put defenses back on equal footing.

One would keep illegal defensive contact as a 5-yard penalty but not an automatic first down, as it currently is. Another would institute the college rule for pass interference and make it a 15-yard penalty unless it's deemed flagrant. It would then be a spot foul.

Defensive pass interference penalties would also be spot fouls if they were committed within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage.

The emphasis was for a good reason, Peterson said. But the pendulum sometimes swings too far. We've got to bring it back and get it somewhere in the middle.

Peterson's proposals have the support of Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil.

You've got to give the defense some advantage or some opportunity to play, Vermeil said. We're paying those guys a lot of money.

They might not get their way. The proposal to modify the pass-interference penalty has been put forth in previous years and failed.

The opinion of McKay's committee carries plenty of sway in the voting. He wouldn't reveal its recommendation on Peterson's proposal but said the committee doesn't believe the passing rules are weighted too heavily in favor of the offense.

We don't feel (that), but we do hope that the conduct, meaning the actual illegal contact, we clearly want to see that come down, McKay said. The feeling was, when you watch the tape as the year went on, people got more comfortable as to how it was going to be called that they adjusted their play. Our hope is that this year that adjustment continues when we re-emphasize it and show it on tape to all the players and all the coaches.

I thought the coaches did an outstanding job of understanding, as the year went on, what the foul was. I just hope now that we're, again, able to modify the conduct so the number of fouls comes down. That's a lot of fouls. We'd like that number to come down. Our hope is it comes down based on conduct, not based on us officiating it differently this year.

In Peterson's view, the awarding of a first down on a pass interference penalty well short of the necessary yardage is too harsh.

But opponents fear that changing the rule would be an invitation to defenses to play overly aggressive in long-yardage situations. The cost would only be 5 yards and not a fresh set of downs, too.

For the Chiefs, with the league's worst passing defense last year, to sponsor such proposals looks self-serving: If the players can't do the job, let the rules do it for them.

But there's also a flip side.

We're possibly shooting ourselves in the foot, too, Peterson said. We're a passing team.

To reach Adam Teicher, Chiefs reporter

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/11181978.htm


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Old 03-20-2005, 08:09 AM   #2
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As for the spot foul on PI, while I like the college rule, there is merit to making the penalty harsher if the refs deem that the contact was flagrant.

The only problem with that, however, is that I don't want the morons that pass for refs in the NFL given another judgement call to make.
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:09 AM   #3
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I would love to see the rules changed, however all the way back to 1978 they have been handcuffing the defense. I am waiting for the NFL to make a rule that only eight men are allowed on defense or a five seconds before you rush the QB rule installed. Look for Arena football scores as that seems to be what the NFL wants.
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:13 AM   #4
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I think I would have proposed to make the D holding call a 10 yard penalty instead of 5, without the automatic 1st down.
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:16 AM   #5
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I would love to see the rules changed, however all the way back to 1978 they have been handcuffing the defense. I am waiting for the NFL to make a rule that only eight men are allowed on defense or a five seconds before you rush the QB rule installed. Look for Arena football scores as that seems to be what the NFL wants.
No doubt.
Defenses are being neutered.

By the next generation of fans the league will become the National Flag Football League.

Dammit Carl.......I mean Tags, give me back my D!
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:18 AM   #6
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Get some real players in your secondary, Carl. You don't need to punish the rest of the league because you took William Bartee with a second round pick, and then chose to re-sign him.
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:21 AM   #7
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Get some real players in your secondary, Carl. You don't need to punish the rest of the league because you took William Bartee with a second round pick, and then chose to re-sign him.
I know it appears that way, and could very well be.
But I don't like the direction the game is going.
We need to put some D back into the game.
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:23 AM   #8
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Get some real players in your secondary, Carl. You don't need to punish the rest of the league because you took William Bartee with a second round pick, and then chose to re-sign him.
Far be it me to defend Carl, but with the rules no db will have a impact. Look at Champ Baily, he was burned like a match and still made the probowl. Did he all of the sudden become a average player? He struggled and was voted to the probowl because everyone knows the deck is stacked.
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:26 AM   #9
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I know it appears that way, and could very well be.
But I don't like the direction the game is going.
We need to put some D back into the game.
I could see Carl going the other way if we had an offense with a QB that averaged around 2400 yards passing a season. He has had an average to sucky defense the last six years, and he's trying to help them out any way he can. I will say that I like the idea of illegal contact not being an automatic first down, though.
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:35 AM   #10
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I could see Carl going the other way if we had an offense with a QB that averaged around 2400 yards passing a season. He has had an average to sucky defense the last six years, and he's trying to help them out any way he can. I will say that I like the idea of illegal contact not being an automatic first down, though.
Regardless of the motive, I'm just happy that someone has at least addressed these rules.

The pendulum has swung to far to the offensive side.
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:45 AM   #11
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I'd like to see it called fairly for all teams. Last year, at times, it seemed that refs were giving good defenses(or defenses with good reputations) the benefit of the doubt with illegal contact, but for teams like KC or Indy or Minn, the pass plays were called pretty tight.

It got to the point I couldn't celebrate a good defensive play last year, until some time went by before the announcer would say,"But there is a flag on the play". And it ended up being some ticky tack call.
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:57 AM   #12
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This has nothing to do with the Chiefs lack of defense.

It's about fixing something that is broken.

I've thought for 10 years that the NFL PI rule should be like the college PI rule...
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Old 03-20-2005, 09:06 AM   #13
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This has nothing to do with the Chiefs lack of defense.

It's about fixing something that is broken.

I've thought for 10 years that the NFL PI rule should be like the college PI rule...
Curious, can you please explain how they go abouts in calling the college PI rule? Just Curious.
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Old 03-20-2005, 09:06 AM   #14
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This has nothing to do with the Chiefs lack of defense.

It's about fixing something that is broken.

I've thought for 10 years that the NFL PI rule should be like the college PI rule...
Why? Just imagine in a big game the QB throws a 50 yd bomb and the CB is beat so he just tackles the WR and only gets a 15yd penalty. That is not a good situation to have. I understand that the Chiefs want to have a flagrant PI as well I just think that the refs have a enough to worry about let alone making a judgement call on something like that. Just IMO.
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Curious, can you please explain how they go abouts in calling the college PI rule? Just Curious.
In college, pass interference is a 15-yard penalty plus automatic first down, rather than a spot foul.
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