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Old 04-07-2005, 06:52 PM  
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You just don't listen.

I said to do the research on deals between the Chiefs and Raiders, but you just didn't listen.

You neg repped me because you insist that the Chiefs traded for Chester McGlockton, a claim that I have already proven wrong on this board before.

So here it is again.

http://slam.canoe.ca/FootballNFL97Re...AFCREPT-R.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
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The Chiefs are padding their defensive line with Pro Bowlers.
The Chiefs Friday signed unrestricted free agent DE Leslie
O'Neal, the eighth all-time leading sacker in NFL history, to a
three-year contract and announced that they tendered an offer
sheet to Oakland Raiders "franchise" player Chester McGlockton

before Thursday's midnight deadline. The 33-year-old O'Neal, a
six-time Pro Bowl selection, has compiled 122 1/2 sacks in 164
career NFL games. He recorded 10 sacks or more in a season eight
times. The Raiders have until midnight tonight to match the
Chiefs' offer to McGlockton. If the offer is not matched,
Oakland receives a compensatory pick believed to be between the
first and second round (31st overall) plus a second-round pick
from Kansas City, in this weekend's draft.

OAKLAND RAIDERS
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The Raiders are not expected to match the offer sheet tendered
to free agent DT Chester McGlockton by Kansas City. If the offer
is not matched, Oakland receives a compensatory pick believed to
be between the first and second round (31st overall) plus a
second-round pick from Kansas City, in this weekend's draft.
With virtually no room under their salary cap, the Raiders
elected not to guarantee a one-year tender offer to McGlockton,
giving the four-time Pro Bowl defensive tackle an opportunity to
field offers from other teams. ... The Raiders will likely use
the fourth overall pick in Saturday's draft on Michigan CB
Charles Woodson, the first defensive player to win the Heisman
Trophy. The last time the Raiders drafted a Heisman Trophy
winner was back in 1988 when they selected Notre Dame WR Tim
Brown with the sixth overall pick.
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Old 04-08-2005, 06:53 PM   #16
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Old 04-08-2005, 06:54 PM   #17
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SideWinder, I understand why you think it wasn't a trade. No, it was not a trade in the conventional sense. But, it still was a trade. If it wasn't, KC wouldn't of had to give Oakland a 2nd round pick for the rights to him.

KC knew entering negotiations that if Oakland didn't match they would have to trade their 2nd rounder for the rights to him.
So according to your line of reasoning, if Tony Gonzalez were a FA, and the Chiefs placed the franchise tag on him, then the Raiders signed him to an offer sheet, which the Cheifs then didn't match, getting a pair of first rounders in return as required compensation, then that is a trade.

Am I right?
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Old 04-08-2005, 06:57 PM   #18
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So according to your line of reasoning, if Tony Gonzalez were a FA, and the Chiefs placed the franchise tag on him, then the Raiders signed him to an offer sheet, which the Chiefs then didn't match, getting a pair of first rounders in return as required compensation, then that is a trade.

Am I right?
Do you know the different classifications of free agents and what they mean?

Chester wasn't a UFA, he was EFA. Meaning Oakland still had rights to him.
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Old 04-08-2005, 06:58 PM   #19
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Exclusive rights free agent. Chester McGlockton was not franchised. Oakland didn't have to use the franchise tag for a player they already had rights to. That is just stupid.

Do some research.

You obviously don't follow along too well. I didn't say KC had to get permission to speak with him. I said he has to get permission from Oakland to talk to other teams.
You obviously can't read to damn well.

The link I provided, and the material I copied and posted on this subject clearly states he was a franchise FA.

I did the research.
I posted the proof.

You simply refuse to acknowledge that you are mistaken.
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Old 04-08-2005, 07:01 PM   #20
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You obviously can't read to damn well.

The link I provided, and the material I copied and posted on this subject clearly states he was a franchise FA.

I did the research.
I posted the proof.

You simply refuse to acknowledge that you are mistaken.
You are telling me how it was and you don't even know what a EFA is. Classic.
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Old 04-08-2005, 07:18 PM   #21
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You are telling me how it was and you don't even know what a EFA is. Classic.
Laugh all you want.
I admit that I'd forgotten that EFA was exclusive rights FA, although I know what an exclusive rights FA is.

That doesn't change the fact that the material I provided clearly shows that the Raiders didn't tag him with the exclusive rights tag.

It also clearly shows that the Raiders didn't have to grant the Chiefs, or any other team permission to talk to Chet.

It also clearly shows that not only did they not tag him with the exclusive rights tag, they wouldn't even guarantee his franchise tag.

If they had, the Chiefs would have been required to send 2 first round picks.

The information I posted tells it how it is.

So **** off dickbreath.
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Old 04-08-2005, 07:26 PM   #22
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ok gang.....

he was a f.a. and the pick we got was a comp at the end of the 1st round. his name was leon bender. he died prior to camp while he was taking a shower.

the league does not comp for franchise tags. the team getting the player does.

ergo... no franchise tag.

part of the criteria when a team gets comped for a f.a., is how much that free agent signed for. 30 mil for 5 years if i remember correctly. another part of it is free agents signed versus free agents lost. if you sign more free agents which have a collective value MORE than the ones you lost, you get squat. in other words if baltimore lost ray lewis but signed randy moss they wouldnt get anything.

if they lost ray lewis and hey didnt sign anyone from free agency they would more than likely get a first.

that is why it was so high. we werent too busy that offseason.

go to drafthistory.com and we will all see the chiefs did not give us any pick. look at the chiefs draft and the raiders draft.

leon was the last pick taken in the first round that year.

exclusive rights franchise tag= noone can talk to said player without that current teams permission.

non exclusive right franchise tag=player and agent can TRY and line up deals.

chester was neither though.

btw.... there is no TEAM compensation for a transitional player. only a right to match like we did with brown,when he signed on the dotted line with denver.
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Old 04-08-2005, 08:37 PM   #23
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Old 04-08-2005, 08:47 PM   #24
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Old 04-09-2005, 08:06 AM   #26
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He was a EFA. And he had to get permission from the Raiders to talk to other teams. He was simply not a unrestricted free agent, free to go wherever he wanted.

Any team entering negotiations with him at that point realizes that if he does sign they have to trade the pick to the team who has the rights to the player.

Sorry SideWinder, you are wrong on this.
That's not a trade, no matter how many times you say it is.
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I was considering this question myself. I think this thread is what they call "teh ghey".
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Old 04-09-2005, 11:31 AM   #29
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heh heh... sidewinder, I stand corrected... I remembered sending a pick to the raiders for chet, but I guess in retrospect it wasn't officially a 'trade'

and as for the neg rep, heh heh... it's just rep, dude... it's not life/death, nor will it affect your everyday life outside of chiefsplanet... unless you have drastically low self-esteem, and in that case, I'll send some positive your way eventually

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Old 04-09-2005, 06:04 PM   #30
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heh heh... sidewinder, I stand corrected... I remembered sending a pick to the raiders for chet, but I guess in retrospect it wasn't officially a 'trade'

and as for the neg rep, heh heh... it's just rep, dude... it's not life/death, nor will it affect your everyday life outside of chiefsplanet... unless you have drastically low self-esteem, and in that case, I'll send some positive your way eventually

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I only mentioned the rep as a reason to post this thread, since you didn't respond to the thread that trades with Raiders were discussed.

I just want to be certain that you saw this.

The only reason I even bother to check my rep is to see if someone had something to say about a post, that they didn't respond on the board, which seems to happen quite frequently.

I only discovered that fact the other day when someone posted a thread asking about average posts per day, and I didn't know where to find that number.
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