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Old 04-10-2005, 08:45 AM  
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Johnson, Surtain and the costs incurred...


Let us assume that the Surtain deal will be made for our 2005 4th pick and a [conditional?] 2006 pick. That is a reasonable assumption, IMO. Both sides can declare victory and both sides get what they want.

Let us also assume that a combination of our 1st, 2nd and some other lower Round pick is sufficient to move up and snag Derrick Johnson. That means missing out on a CB in the first [2] Rounds. I have been penciling in our draft CB for dime or perhaps even nickel duty [if Sapp is not all I hope he is]. If we moved up for Johnson, we would eventually have to count on McCleon, Battle or Bartee [whomever is still on the roster] at CB. Troublesome, that.

We would still be thin in the LB position. Johnson, Bell & Fujita. A rookie, a veteran with a troublesome injury history and a young player fresh off surgery. That would be our starting LB corps. And our depth consists of Mitchell, Fox & Caver, with Barber returning in October [I further assume Maslowski is done]. Troublesome, that. Even more so than the CB situation above, IMO.

So, would you do it?

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Old 04-10-2005, 08:50 AM   #2
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Wishy-washy or what?


Oddly enough, when I started this post, I thought the answer was an unqualified YES. However, as I typed the conditions and sketched in the ramifications, it became more qualified in my mind.

Clearly, Johnson is a rare talent at OLB. All indications are that he will be a star in the NFL. The state of the KC Linebacker corps has been dismal for several years now. I believe that a stud LB is more important than a stud CB. I know some of you disagree.

Still, the cost to get Johnson in the Red & Gold is quite high. Perhaps too high.

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Old 04-10-2005, 09:02 AM   #3
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the only thing your post did was depress me, no matter which action we take we'll still have a bunch of losers on the field....I think we need to move down, if anything..we really need two out CB/LB/DE in the first 2 picks (of course, I'm assuming we'd draft players who could actually help us this year, god help me)
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Old 04-10-2005, 09:02 AM   #4
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I voted yes. If (and I still think it's a BIG if) we get Surtain we will then have two servicable CB's. Our situation at LB is just as bad if not worse than CB. We have Bell (if he can stay healthy) and a pile of steaming dog - well, you get the picture. I really don't think Fujita would be a starter on any other tean in the NFL and I have doubts as to Barber coming back as anything but a shadow of what he was - which wasn't much. We need to draft a stud LB and sign a low-cost vet in FA IMO and also look to FA to sign a low-cost vet to challange for our nickle back.
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Old 04-10-2005, 09:05 AM   #5
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the only thing your post did was depress me, no matter which action we take we'll still have a bunch of losers on the field....I think we need to move down, if anything..we really need two out CB/LB/DE in the first 2 picks (of course, I'm assuming we'd draft players who could actually help us this year, god help me)

I agree completely. No matter what we do, we will still be left with some real losers on the field. Our defense is pathetic. Hopefully we can put enough good players on the field to compensate for the holes.
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Old 04-10-2005, 09:07 AM   #6
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We also need to think about the LB's and CB's that might become available after the June 1st cuts. Anyone know anything about that?
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Old 04-10-2005, 09:22 AM   #7
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We need to make the Surtain deal for the #2 pick this year. Move up to the #8 pick this year and take Johnson out of Texas. Give up this years and next years #1 picks to move up. What do we care about next year. It's rebuilding time next year. Super Bowl or bust baby.
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Old 04-10-2005, 09:27 AM   #8
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Huh?


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That makes no sense. The consensus is that Miami will have to cave. Why on earth would you want to give up a 2nd Rounder when you do not have to?

And your point about next year’s pick is equally mystifying. We are headed for a rebuild. Why on earth would you give up next year’s 1st Rounder when you are going to have to rebuild?

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Old 04-10-2005, 09:30 AM   #9
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Gloom, despair and agony...yep, its a Chiefs BB all right...


I think “a bunch of losers” is a bit over the top.

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Old 04-10-2005, 09:37 AM   #10
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And your point about next year’s pick is equally mystifying. We are headed for a rebuild. Why on earth would you give up next year’s 1st Rounder when you are going to have to rebuild?
I agree with BigRedChief, I think KC sells the farm and makes their run this year. It's over after this season any way you slice it. IMO after this year you're going to lose Shields & Roaf, you won't get those guys properly replaced and that will take the offense down a couple of pegs. Gonzo and Holmes are at or beyond their peaks if you go by averages of the age where people start to drop off.

If I were CP I'd kill myself. But if I had his JOB, I'd move Holmes. Holmes is the only guy on this team that has a quality backup. You move Holmes you can get some picks and a player. The fact that he hasn't gone a full season recently will drop his value some, but that should also give you more cause to send him packing.

Let's face it, the Pats would have sent Holmes packing a before last year started. KC's fans are much more loyal to players than they are to the Lombardi Trophey, not that it is good or bad.

[edit] Actually, Holmes retiring after this season wouldn't suprise me at all. Especially if he gets another injury. [/edit]
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Old 04-10-2005, 09:39 AM   #11
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Reading your post makes me believe that the best way for our defense to improve is for us to collectively lower our expectations from "a middle of the pack defense can get us there" to something more along the lines of "if we can hold them a couple series in each game..."
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Old 04-10-2005, 10:07 AM   #12
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The only real negative I see in this scenario is that the Chiefs wouldn't have the opportunity to use an early draft pick on an offensive player to bring some quality youth to that side of the ball. To get both Surtain and Johnson, it would be worth it though.

I don't have a problem with the best of Bartee, McCleon, Sapp, or Battle being the nickle back.
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Old 04-10-2005, 10:14 AM   #13
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That makes no sense. The consensus is that Miami will have to cave. Why on earth would you want to give up a 2nd Rounder when you do not have to?

And your point about next year’s pick is equally mystifying. We are headed for a rebuild. Why on earth would you give up next year’s 1st Rounder when you are going to have to rebuild?

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Win now is the logic. No matter if we have the first rounder next year or not we are cooked for 4-5 years. And IMHO with King Carl in charge of the 1st rounder next year we have a high probability of blowing it anyway. Same thing with the 2nd rounder this year. Our drafting history in the 2nd round during the King Carl era says we won't get any help anyway

If we drafted and acquired free agents like NE I'd have a different opinion.

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Old 04-10-2005, 10:24 AM   #14
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I don't think using multiple picks on one player when the overall talent level on D is low makes a whole lot of sense. It looks like a lot of teams will go offense before 15. Just sit tight and take the best player who can get early pressure on the QB and the best player who can cover a receiver with the first two picks.

Given his similarities to the late, great #58, I think CP and Gunther might have a hard time passing on Troy State's Demarcus Ware at 15. Add Ware and a CB like McFadden, FSU, in round two along with Surtain and another vet LB, the Chiefs start to look capable of a couple stops per game.
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Old 04-10-2005, 10:28 AM   #15
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That's a tough one. The fan in me says jump on it, but it would look like we would be headed towards a 49ers-esque cap hell scenario if we did.
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