Home Mail Chat Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Lounge

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-01-2005, 01:15 AM  
tk13 tk13 is offline
...
 
tk13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Casino cash: $42600
Posnanski: Look out, Gunther's got his men

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/11533980.htm

Look out, Cunningham got his men
JOE POSNANSKI

If you know Gunther Cunningham at all, you already know what last year did to him. You don't need quotes to understand.

In his seven years in Kansas City as a defensive coordinator, then head coach, then coordinator again, Cunningham has never veiled his emotions. He has ranted and cried and babbled and inspired his team to play some great football. He coached dominant Chiefs defenses. He was head coach when Derrick Thomas died. He was hired, and he was fired. Always, his emotions were out there. You never needed an interpreter or mind reader to know what was bubbling inside him.

You know Gunther.

So, you don't need him to tell you that last year was the worst coaching year of his life. You don't need him to explain why. The Chiefs defense was all sorts of lousy two seasons ago, especially at the end of the year, and the Chiefs brought Cunningham back to save the day. He wasn't given new players to help him. No, instead, he was given a quest — he was Sir Galahad charged with pulling swords from stones and pulling big plays from the NFL's most porous defense.

Friends told him he couldn't do it; a coach needs players.

But Gunther said he would do it. “Failure is not an option,” he growled whenever someone asked how he could turn a bad defense into a good defense using the exact same players. He wanted to make it work so badly, he put together a defensive plan about twice as big as the 9/11 Commission Report. He came at the players with a feverish intensity pulled straight out of the Patton playbook.

There was one problem. Gunther's friends were right.

Not to get too technical, the defense had a lot of guys who could not play.

Of course, that's me talking. Gunther Cunningham would never say that. In fact, he didn't say much of anything, at least publicly. All last season, he privately banged his head against the wall and worked with his coaches to come up with a defensive shell game that might somehow stop offenses without the use of consistent defensive linemen, linebackers who could tackle, safeties who would hit or corners who could cover. It would have been a neat trick. Lance Burton would have been impressed.

He couldn't pull it off, of course. Gunther's not that good. Houdini was not that good.

So, no, you don't need Cunningham to tell you how lousy he felt, how lousy everyone felt when the Chiefs gave up 30 points week after week after week. You don't need him to explain how some weeks he would watch game film, and he wanted to throw up. And those were the good weeks. The bad weeks, he would sit in his office at 2 a.m. watching video of his defense giving up plays, and he would be trying to come up with something, anything. And he would realize that he was 58 years old, and he had spent his whole life putting his heart into football, he had spent much of his life trying to get Kansas City a football winner, and his defense couldn't stop anybody. And maybe for an instant he would think about hopping on a sailboat and just going wherever the wind took him.

You don't need him to tell you this:

“It was a very, very, very hard season,” he says in a weary voice.

When the season ended, Gunther Cunningham had a talk with Chiefs general manager Carl Peterson. These are two men who have been through a whole lot together — Peterson hired Cunningham, fired Cunningham, brought back Cunningham. They talked about a lot of things, and then at some point, Peterson asked Cunningham what he wanted, what he needed, to stop people. Cunningham gave him a list of players.

Peterson looked at the list. He said: “OK. Let's get it done.”

And the Chiefs went out and signed those players.

“I'm going to get emotional about this,” Cunningham says, and, yes, his voice chokes, and tears well up in his eyes. You know Gunther. “I know some people don't want to give Carl Peterson credit for anything. But I love that man, I'm telling you. He saved my life. We're going to turn back the clock now. We're going to make it fun for Kansas City fans to watch our defense play. It will be just like the old days.”

***

When you break it down, there were really only two problems with the Chiefs defense last season. They couldn't stop the run. And they couldn't stop the pass. If you want to measure bad defense, it's good to look at the old “yard per play” statistic. The Chiefs gave up 6.3 yards per play last season, by far the highest total in the NFL, nearly a half-yard more than the second-worst defense in football, the Tennessee Titans.

In other words, this is not a small remodeling job.

“Defense comes down to making plays,” Cunningham says. “You can't hide in this league. If you can't play, other teams will find you. If you have a weakness, other teams will exploit it. Football is not about excuses. You make the tackle or you don't. You get to the ball or you don't. Winners make plays. Losers talk about how close they were.”

This was the game plan — find playmakers. And Cunningham knew the Chiefs needed more than one or two playmakers; this team needed a full makeover. Cunningham wanted to begin with a linebacker who could run, make tackles and blitz the quarterback. Cunningham believes in a defense built around linebackers. He wanted Pittsburgh's Kendrell Bell, a 6-foot-1, 257-pound freight engine who has had some injury problems but has been a dominating force when healthy.

And the Chiefs signed Kendrell Bell.

“So much of defense is intimidation,” Cunningham says. “When we had those great defenses in the 1990s, with Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, Dale Carter, James Hasty, we probably won some games just by walking on the field. We need some of that again. And man, when Kendrell Bell comes on the blitz, everybody knows it.”

Next, Cunningham wanted a shutdown corner, someone who would allow him to again play the sort of straight-up, man-to-man, in-your-face defense the Chiefs played in the 1990s. He gave Peterson a list of corners — Ty Law, Samari Rolle, Fred Smoot, etc. — and he would have been happy with any of them. But No. 1 on his list was Miami's Patrick Surtain, who has more interceptions the last five years than any cornerback in the NFL.

And the Chiefs traded for Patrick Surtain.

“Some people say Patrick Surtain is a gambler,” Cunningham says. “Well, if he's a gambler, then he's winning an awful lot of money. There are, in my mind, two kinds of defensive players. There are guys trying to play defense. And there are guys trying to win football games. Patrick Surtain is trying to win football games.”

He wanted a safety, someone who could get his hands on the ball. It's no secret that the Chiefs' biggest disappointment last season was the play of safeties Jerome Woods (who was the one defender to make the Pro Bowl in 2003) and Greg Wesley. The Chiefs had hoped to build their defense around those two young players — both signed huge six-year contract extensions in 2004 — and both took giant steps backward.

So the Chiefs signed Sammy Knight, who has 35 interceptions and nine forced fumbles in his eight-year career.

And finally, Cunningham really wanted Tennessee defensive end Carlos Hall. That was personal. Cunningham had watched Hall practice when he was coaching for the Titans. Hall has had an up-and-down career, but Cunningham sees a little bit of greatness in him.

“I see something special there,” Cunningham says. “I don't want to say too much about that. But I see something.”

So the Chiefs added four players and then drafted Texas linebacker Derrick Johnson, the consensus best linebacker in college football last year. So that's five likely starters this season — it's like a whole new defense.

And now that the players are in, you can see the joy on Cunningham's face.

“We have a whole lot of work to do, getting all these guys to play together and getting them all to understand what we're trying to do,” he says. “But I can tell you this: With this group, it will start looking like Chiefs football again. Everybody in this division — the Raiders, the Broncos, the Chargers, all of them — knows what I'm talking about. They've seen the players we got. They know. We're back.”

***

You know Gunther Cunningham. You know how emotional he is. You know that every day he looks out on the empty Arrowhead Stadium, and he imagines it filled with fans, all wearing red. He hears the echoes. He sees the Chiefs defense out there destroying offenses, like old times. He says he has the players to do that now.

And it gets him choked up.

“What this organization did — what Carl, all of our people, did — it's like a miracle. I'm telling you. As a coach, you can want players, but you know, realistically, that it's hard with the salary cap to get them. Well, we got them.

“Now, it's our job to make them into a great defense. We can do that. We will do that. I've got people coming up to me all the time, and they say: ‘Gun, when will it be like the old days? When will we start seeing the Chiefs defense again?' ”

Cunningham smiles again and swallows hard. You know Gunther.

“I just tell them to get ready,” he says. “It's coming. Get ready for the ride of your life.”
Posts: 47,522
tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 01:25 AM   #2
Hammock Parties Hammock Parties is offline
**** you, asshole
 
Hammock Parties's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $577
Posts: 196,588
Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 02:00 AM   #3
Fairplay Fairplay is offline
A certain set of skills
 
Fairplay's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: texas
Casino cash: $26783
VARSITY
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13
[url]“I just tell them to get ready,” he says. “It's coming. Get ready for the ride of your life.”



Im ready for the ride of my life....oh yeah!!!!!!!!!!
Posts: 25,265
Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 02:16 AM   #4
beer bacon beer bacon is offline
WHAT
 
beer bacon's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Kansas City, MO
Casino cash: $9645
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairplay
Im ready for the ride of my life....oh yeah!!!!!!!!!!
Does the above post have homosexual undertones? Yay or nay? You be the judge!
Posts: 9,294
beer bacon must have mowed badgirl's lawn.beer bacon must have mowed badgirl's lawn.beer bacon must have mowed badgirl's lawn.beer bacon must have mowed badgirl's lawn.beer bacon must have mowed badgirl's lawn.beer bacon must have mowed badgirl's lawn.beer bacon must have mowed badgirl's lawn.beer bacon must have mowed badgirl's lawn.beer bacon must have mowed badgirl's lawn.beer bacon must have mowed badgirl's lawn.beer bacon must have mowed badgirl's lawn.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 02:19 AM   #5
Fairplay Fairplay is offline
A certain set of skills
 
Fairplay's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: texas
Casino cash: $26783
VARSITY
Quote:
Originally Posted by beer bacon
Does the above post have homosexual undertones? Yay or nay? You be the judge!


I don't think so.
Posts: 25,265
Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 03:05 AM   #6
mikey23545 mikey23545 is offline
MVP
 
mikey23545's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Casino cash: $15421
Let the season begin....
Posts: 12,314
mikey23545 is obviously part of the inner Circle.mikey23545 is obviously part of the inner Circle.mikey23545 is obviously part of the inner Circle.mikey23545 is obviously part of the inner Circle.mikey23545 is obviously part of the inner Circle.mikey23545 is obviously part of the inner Circle.mikey23545 is obviously part of the inner Circle.mikey23545 is obviously part of the inner Circle.mikey23545 is obviously part of the inner Circle.mikey23545 is obviously part of the inner Circle.mikey23545 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 04:21 AM   #7
DaWolf DaWolf is offline
Cry havoc...
 
DaWolf's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Casino cash: $7825
Sounds like the same old Gunther.

We'll see. I've heard so much talk the last 7 years I'll just wait until I see results.

Quote:
“I see something special there,” Cunningham says. “I don't want to say too much about that. But I see something.”
Well we're about to find out if Gun is a better talent evaluator than the Tennessee Titans. Looking at Hall's stats, I am reminded of Hicks: Good first year, but not much after that. I hope Jared Allen doesn't fall into that same boat...
Posts: 6,797
DaWolf would the whole thing.DaWolf would the whole thing.DaWolf would the whole thing.DaWolf would the whole thing.DaWolf would the whole thing.DaWolf would the whole thing.DaWolf would the whole thing.DaWolf would the whole thing.DaWolf would the whole thing.DaWolf would the whole thing.DaWolf would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 05:50 AM   #8
DJay23 DJay23 is offline
Rock Chalk Jayhawk
 
DJay23's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Danville, PA
Casino cash: $11417
I love Gun for all of his heart and emotion, I just wish it could have been translated by his players last year. There is new hope and maybe this year's group will get the hint.

He was a little wacky when he was head coach, but damnit if he can't coach some D. I can't wait to see what he does with this version. I think it will be rough at first getting all the pieces fitted (I'm sure CP will take his time signing DJ).
__________________
"True bliss is not something you search for, true bliss is already living inside us all, and sometimes it takes a roomfull of others to lead us to the mirror of your soul." - CosmicPal (10-3-03)
Posts: 7,615
DJay23 has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.DJay23 has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.DJay23 has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.DJay23 has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.DJay23 has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.DJay23 has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.DJay23 has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.DJay23 has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.DJay23 has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.DJay23 has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.DJay23 has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 06:15 AM   #9
htismaqe htismaqe is offline
In Search of a Life
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Chiefsplanet
Casino cash: $8859
Cross-thread question:

When the season ended, Gunther Cunningham had a talk with Chiefs general manager Carl Peterson. These are two men who have been through a whole lot together — Peterson hired Cunningham, fired Cunningham, brought back Cunningham. They talked about a lot of things, and then at some point, Peterson asked Cunningham what he wanted, what he needed, to stop people. Cunningham gave him a list of players.

Do we have anything from the team that corroborates this, or is this just an assumption on JoPo's part?
Posts: 62,015
htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 06:51 AM   #10
C-Mac C-Mac is offline
Lurker Extraordinaire
 
C-Mac's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Wally World
Casino cash: $13799
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
Cross-thread question:

When the season ended, Gunther Cunningham had a talk with Chiefs general manager Carl Peterson. These are two men who have been through a whole lot together — Peterson hired Cunningham, fired Cunningham, brought back Cunningham. They talked about a lot of things, and then at some point, Peterson asked Cunningham what he wanted, what he needed, to stop people. Cunningham gave him a list of players.

Do we have anything from the team that corroborates this, or is this just an assumption on JoPo's part?
If your asking about the list, yes its been quoted several times by media and members of the staff.
Posts: 5,539
C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 06:53 AM   #11
C-Mac C-Mac is offline
Lurker Extraordinaire
 
C-Mac's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Wally World
Casino cash: $13799
Well written article again JoPo
Posts: 5,539
C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.C-Mac must have mowed badgirl's lawn.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 06:54 AM   #12
|Zach| |Zach| is offline
For The Glory Of The City
 
|Zach|'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Kansas City
Casino cash: $13868
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe

Do we have anything from the team that corroborates this, or is this just an assumption on JoPo's part?
I think I remember CP mentioning this list as well.
Posts: 47,163
|Zach| has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.|Zach| has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.|Zach| has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.|Zach| has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.|Zach| has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.|Zach| has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.|Zach| has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.|Zach| has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.|Zach| has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.|Zach| has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.|Zach| has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 07:13 AM   #13
Baby Lee Baby Lee is online now
Supporter
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Casino cash: $58698
Quote:
And man, when Kendrell Bell comes on the blitz, everybody knows it.”
Couldn't you say that of every safety or corner blitz last year, and wasn't that the PROBLEM?!?!?
__________________
I think there's nothing cooler than being a lone wolf . . . except at wolf picnics when you don't have a partner for the wolf wheelbarrow race.
Posts: 71,124
Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.Baby Lee is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 07:27 AM   #14
OmahaChief OmahaChief is offline
Down with Nino Brown
 
OmahaChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Omaha
Casino cash: $9000
JoPo writes the best articles of any KC Star reporter. Most might be homer articles but what he does best is evoke emotion from his readers. I love to read anything he writes.

I can't wait to see this defense, I sure hope it comes out firing on all cylinders but I am not naive enough to think they will be this wrecking crew from game one. I think it will take a bit of time and I hope people understand that.

If Gun can somehow light a fire under Fat Ass Sims and get Hicks to play well every game we might have a really good defense.
Posts: 3,527
OmahaChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.OmahaChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.OmahaChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.OmahaChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.OmahaChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.OmahaChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.OmahaChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.OmahaChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.OmahaChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.OmahaChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.OmahaChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2005, 07:27 AM   #15
jcl-kcfan2 jcl-kcfan2 is offline
Starter
 

Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: League City (Houston), tx
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by beer bacon
Does the above post have homosexual undertones? Yay or nay? You be the judge!
No, but your question does. Are you trolling for some yes answers or something?????
Posts: 417
jcl-kcfan2 is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.jcl-kcfan2 is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:05 AM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.