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Old 08-03-2005, 08:43 PM  
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This guy think Craphonso Thorpe will be the second WR

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O/U: 9.5
2004 record: 7-9
2005 Home Opponents: NYJ, PHI, WAS, OAK, NE, DEN, SD, CIN
2005 Away Opponents: OAK, DEN, MIA, SD, BUF, HOU, DAL, NYG

Vivek: That half game in the line is a blessing for me and is the clincher for the pick. Gunther Cunningham burned me last year and despite the additions of Derrick Johnson, Patrick Surtain, and Kendrell Bell, this defense still will not put a lot of pressure on opposing quarterbacks and will not plug the gaps in the line. This team was shutout in the sack category four times last season, and recorded only one sack in another three games – the 40 overall sacks for the year is a misleading statistic.

The lack of burners to go downfield will allow defenses to shorten the field and hone in on Priest Holmes and Tony Gonzalez. Sammie Parker and Eddie Kennison do not make up a very imposing 1-2 combo at the wire receiver spots. They need to hope that FredEx does more than create over-the-top sound bytes for the sports talk programs. UNDER.

Al: I have to disagree with you on this one, Viv. This team should have won at least nine games last year. Kansas City finished with two fewer wins than their points scored and points allowed would indicate they should have. When a team underperforms its Pythagorean record by that much, it tends to bounce upwards the next season. When you look at 16-game seasons since the schedule was lengthened in 1978 (so, not counting 1982 and 1987), teams that have underperformed their Pythagorean record by at least two games in one year have seen their win totals increase by an average of 1.78 wins the next season.

There’s no reason this over/under line should be a half game higher than San Diego’s, but with Kansas City’s improved defense, ten wins is very realistic. If they could add a healthy Ty Law, the Chiefs would move from one of the worst secondaries in the league to possibly the best in their division. The offensive line is still one of the best in football. Priest Holmes will show signs of aging, but with Larry Johnson, Tony Richardson and Robert Holcombe, the Chiefs have one of the deepest backfields in the league. Gonzo and Eddie Kennison are good for about 1000 yards apiece. Fourth round pick Craphonso Thorpe should develop into Kansas City’s number two receiver by midseason, and secure his place in the pantheon of amazing first names. Craphonso? How can you do that to a child? OVER.
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Old 08-03-2005, 08:44 PM   #2
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:03 PM   #3
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The verdict is still out on Parker but to say a guy that runs a 4.3 40 isn't a burner is stupid. What an idiot!

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Old 08-03-2005, 09:08 PM   #4
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This moron has played too much Madden, I think... he also discounts the fact that KC has NEVER had a real downfield threat since Saunders/Green/Priest got here, and what's the result? Oh yeah, the best offense in football over the past three seasons. That's right.

It amazes me how many people place so much emphasis on the deep pass on receivers and pure speed.

The line still has to give the QB time to release the ball, and he has to make an accurate throw.
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:15 PM   #5
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When you look at 16-game seasons since the schedule was lengthened in 1978 (so, not counting 1982 and 1987), teams that have underperformed their Pythagorean record by at least two games in one year have seen their win totals increase by an average of 1.78 wins the next season.

Yippeee!! We're going to win 8.78 games.
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:25 PM   #6
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This moron has played too much Madden, I think... he also discounts the fact that KC has NEVER had a real downfield threat since Saunders/Green/Priest got here, and what's the result? Oh yeah, the best offense in football over the past three seasons. That's right.

It amazes me how many people place so much emphasis on the deep pass on receivers and pure speed.

The line still has to give the QB time to release the ball, and he has to make an accurate throw.

I disagree about us not having a downfield threat. Sure, we don't have a Randy Moss, but who does? Kennison is definately a downfield threat. Here are some statistics. Kennison was 7th in the league last season in ypc at 17.5. Of the top 15 players in ypc last season he had the most yards at 1086.

Additionally, we have WON several games the last few seasons on long receptions for TDs by him. The two that come to mind are the Green Bay game in 2003 and the last season's first Raiders game.

People also forget that Kennison missed two games last season. He would have most likely had 1200+ yards last year if not for his injuries. He had a very good year, and he was a good deep threat.
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:47 PM   #7
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opinions are like assholes everyone has one, and evidently some how this analysis was published
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:33 PM   #8
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The FOOTBALLOUTSIDERS have been applying statistical analysis of pro football for 2 years now. This is the site that Tuesday Morning QB moved to for a short time after messing up at ESPN and before NFL.com line. Last year was their first year for predicting against the Vegas line. This year you've gotten the opinion of TWO guys in your quote. One got burned last year thinking KC would go over the Vegas line and so this year doesn't think KC will make the 9.5 win over/under line. The second contributor thinks from the Pythagorean rule, involving points scored vs points given up (quite good in correlating with win lost over several sports) that KC will bounce back to win at least 10 games (the same thing was said about Tampa Bay whose Pythagorean rule a year after SB inidcated better play than their record but they didn't bounce back). And since they consistently rant about theirr own misses in predictions, they will occasionally pick to focus on those intersting angles like Carphonso' name rather than really choosing who might be playing.
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Old 08-03-2005, 11:07 PM   #9
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Its true he might. Thorpe is the best WR prospect on the roster. When he is healthy, he is absolutely correct in stating that he is a first round player. Go watch any 2003 game outside of the Miami games. Just needs to get fully healthy and get over that broken leg completely.
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Old 08-03-2005, 11:10 PM   #10
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Its true he might. Thorpe is the best WR prospect on the roster. When he is healthy, he is absolutely correct in stating that he is a first round player. Go watch any 2003 game outside of the Miami games. Just needs to get fully healthy and get over that broken leg completely.
I'm going to go ahead and say that Parker is the best prospect right now. Not only is he ****ing fast, he has awesome hands and doesn't shit his pants when playing with the big boys.
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Old 08-03-2005, 11:11 PM   #11
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We have two burners. This guy is an idiot.
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Old 08-03-2005, 11:13 PM   #12
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We have two burners. This guy is an idiot.
We have 3: Kennison, Thorpe, Smith and Hall. Yeah, make that 4.
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Old 08-04-2005, 12:17 AM   #13
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Its true he might. Thorpe is the best WR prospect on the roster. When he is healthy, he is absolutely correct in stating that he is a first round player. Go watch any 2003 game outside of the Miami games. Just needs to get fully healthy and get over that broken leg completely.
I'm going to agree with this.
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We have 3: Kennison, Thorpe, Smith and Hall. Yeah, make that 4.
OK, yeah, but no one is really scared of Dante Hall down the field, and Thorpe is an unknown.
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Old 08-04-2005, 12:25 AM   #15
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OK, yeah, but no one is really scared of Dante Hall down the field, and Thorpe is an unknown.
We were discussing burners. But, yes, it's obvious that Thorpe is a much better prospect than Hall. Hall isn't even a prospect. I'm still saying Parker all the way, and I meant to say Parker instead of Smith there.
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