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Old 08-27-2005, 02:46 PM  
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new england plays an unusual defense

watching the pats/packers game


on running downs, new england plays a 3-4 (4 defensive backs)

on passing downs, they play a 4-1-6 (6 defensive backs)



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Old 08-27-2005, 03:09 PM   #2
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belichick is a weirdo...fudge him and the pats and tom brady(2nd most over rated qb in the nfl behind mcpillowbiterg)
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:09 PM   #3
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What the hell is so weird about a 4-1-6? That's standard dime alignment if I'm not mistaken. 4 down linemen, middle linebacker, four corners and two safeties.
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:13 PM   #4
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Because of STOUD. Take him out and you will see them play base D.

Tampa Bay when Sapp was good did the same shit.
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:14 PM   #5
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watching the pats/packers game


on running downs, new england plays a 3-4 (4 defensive backs)

on passing downs, they play a 4-1-6 (6 defensive backs)



Is there a punchline comin'?

3-4, cover 2 (or man under/2 deep zone) is an aggressive run defense; with the right personnel....it can be an awesome run defense.

4-1-6 is nothin' more than "dime" coverage, against likely passing situations (2 of the 6 DBs should be safeties, or CBs who can bring the wood though....)

Am I missin' somethin'?
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:22 PM   #6
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SCHEMES don't matter. Players do.

You fit schemes around players.

Tampa Bay ran a 4 - 1- 6 because they KNEW teams coulnd't run on them and they could get pressure with 4 DLinemen.
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:31 PM   #7
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SCHEMES don't matter. Players do.

You fit schemes around players.

Tampa Bay ran a 4 - 1- 6 because they KNEW teams coulnd't run on them and they could get pressure with 4 DLinemen.
I couldn't disagree more. Belichick has constently fit players into his scheme. There aren't any superstars on the Pats. Every player fits a role, and they win Championships.

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Old 08-27-2005, 03:36 PM   #8
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Is there a punchline comin'?

3-4, cover 2 (or man under/2 deep zone) is an aggressive run defense; with the right personnel....it can be an awesome run defense.

4-1-6 is nothin' more than "dime" coverage, against likely passing situations (2 of the 6 DBs should be safeties, or CBs who can bring the wood though....)

Am I missin' somethin'?
but usually the # of defensive backs match the # of wide receivers


the pats aren't doing that


6 defensive backs against 2 Wrs



defense looks very flexible
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:41 PM   #9
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but usually the # of defensive backs match the # of wide receivers


the pats aren't doing that


6 defensive backs against 2 Wrs



defense looks very flexible
I watched an interview with Belichick where he says he prefers defensive speed over power. He likes for his CB's to be able to outrun people to the ball, rather than D Lineman filling gaps, etc.
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:43 PM   #10
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I watched an interview with Belichick where he says he prefers defensive speed over power. He likes for his CB's to be able to outrun people to the ball, rather than D Lineman filling gaps, etc.
ya ... it just caught my attention when they went from 4 linebackers to 1 while green bay stayed in the same formation.


it was just a little weird looking


wonder what happens if the offense runs against this small/fast lineup?
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:46 PM   #11
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The best one was last year when they'd run that 0-5-6 with no down linemen. That was bizarre.
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:47 PM   #12
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ya ... it just caught my attention when they went from 4 linebackers to 1 while green bay stayed in the same formation.


it was just a little weird looking


wonder what happens if the offense runs against this small/fast lineup?
I don't know...Didn't Belichick run a defense last season with 0 Defensive Lineman, 5 LB's, and 6 DB's?
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:51 PM   #13
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I couldn't disagree more. Belichick has constently fit players into his scheme. There aren't any superstars on the Pats. Every player fits a role, and they win Championships.
Does that mean we'll see a new "Spinner" D when they add Monty Beisel to the mixture?
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:56 PM   #14
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:57 PM   #15
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Does that mean we'll see a new "Spinner" D when they add Monty Beisel to the mixture?
It's funny, nobody ever talked about Monty Beisel when he was with the Chiefs. I mean, he wasn't even a thought. Now, everytime I watch any type of football show, they bring up Beisel and the Pats, and how he's going to fill a big hole for them. Give me a break...I liked Monty, and thought he played well last season, but he's not even half the player Fujita is IMO. And most around here think Fujita sucks.
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