Upper-cut punch to force a fumble

**jAZ** · 09-12-2005, 10:12 PM

I noticed yesterday that about 10 times our guys on defense were using a swinging upper-cut to try and punch the ball out of the carriers hands. And at least once it worked.

I was kinda happy to see the move because it's so agressive. I hadn't noticed it used that deliberately before.

Later in a few of the afternoon games, I saw a couple other times where a few defenders used the same move.

Is this a new fad/technique, or have I been amazingly blind.

I only remember a downward swing or a pulling motion in the past. I don't remember any punch play.

My only concern is that the runner gets to keep running with the ball while the defender winds up to take his swing at the ball. At least a little extra yardage on each play as a result.

It looked likely to be pretty effective for causing turnovers though, so I'm guessing it's an acceptable cost for the big play.

PastorMikH · 09-12-2005, 10:14 PM

Ahhh, an upercut "hack" at the ball that if you miss the ball leaves a mark on the carrier and the ref can't call anything. I love it!

Rausch · 09-12-2005, 10:15 PM

DJ did it more than once and still managed to bring down the ball carrier with one arm...

irishjayhawk · 09-12-2005, 10:15 PM

DJ was the master of that in college....

Coach · 09-12-2005, 10:19 PM

Yes, I noticed that. But there were also a few over the head strips, especially when it was coming after the QB.

Jared Allen had one that caused the fumble.

Sammy Knight also did it that caused the fumble.

Either way, last year, it just seemed like they were more worried about trying to bring the guy down without even trying to create a turnover. Not to mention that our tackling was horrible at the time. This year, so far, the tackling has been improved and impressive for the Chiefs, along with trying to strip the ball away.

**Iowanian** · 09-12-2005, 10:20 PM

I can't tell you how Big, and quietly I smiled to myself....seeing a flashing LB with a 50something number tomahawking the ball out of a qb.

DRU · 09-12-2005, 10:25 PM

Look back at almost any of Priest's long runs...he's been victim of that a few times in the past few years.

**BigRedChief** · 09-12-2005, 10:43 PM

Oviously they had been instructed to do it by Gun. We need some more turnovers. I like it.

Pants · 09-12-2005, 11:01 PM

Didn't Kennison lose one of his long fumbles this way as well? Err, talking about last year here...

DRU · 09-13-2005, 12:02 AM

yeah, he did. it was a big play too.

chappy · 09-13-2005, 04:18 AM

we need some film clips of this i noticed it also i am in love with that technique

ZootedGranny · 09-13-2005, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

Didn't Kennison lose one of his long fumbles this way as well? Err, talking about last year here...

Yep.

I'm extremely disappointed with Kennison's lack of awareness when running in the open field, because yesterday he beat Barrett on a route in the middle of the field, turned and cut towards the sideline and could've easily been stripped if it weren't for the clueless Jet defender just trying to make a tackle.

And as tremendous as Larry Johnson has been, he still hasn't learned to switch ball hands. Fortunately he's strong, because twice yesterday the ball was open to be punched out, but again the Jets were just trying to get him down. On that run where he spun and kept going, Vilma had a chance to knock it loose, but Larry lucked out.

Pants · 09-13-2005, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ZootedGranny

Yep.

I'm extremely disappointed with Kennison's lack of awareness when running in the open field, because yesterday he beat Barrett on a route in the middle of the field, turned and cut towards the sideline and could've easily been stripped if it weren't for the clueless Jet defender just trying to make a tackle.

And as tremendous as Larry Johnson has been, he still hasn't learned to switch ball hands. Fortunately he's strong, because twice yesterday the ball was open to be punched out, but again the Jets were just trying to get him down. On that run where he spun and kept going, Vilma had a chance to knock it loose, but Larry lucked out.

I totally agree about LJ, he was actually almost swinging his ball arm when he did that... Kennison, though, seemed to cover up his ball pretty well IMO, I actually saw him cover up the ball over the top right before getting tackled. Also, I remeber seeing a Jets defender try and do the uppercut strip on him... Jets must've covered that during the film session, seeing how Kennison fumbled that shit multiple times last year.

Demonpenz · 09-13-2005, 07:39 AM

DJ Did that shit all the time in college. I am sure it was always tought to our plays but now we just have the speed to do it. Man watch some game tapes of DJ in high school and college i don't even think he thought about tackling he just wanted that ball

Lzen · 09-13-2005, 07:45 AM

Watch some old Chiefs games with Derrick Thomas. He was not only the good at coming over the top to make the QB lose the ball, he could chase down a ball carrier and poke it out from the bottom side. This is nothing new.

09-12-2005, 10:12 PM
jAZ Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tucson, AZ Casino cash: $43181	Upper-cut punch to force a fumble I noticed yesterday that about 10 times our guys on defense were using a swinging upper-cut to try and punch the ball out of the carriers hands. And at least once it worked. I was kinda happy to see the move because it's so agressive. I hadn't noticed it used that deliberately before. Later in a few of the afternoon games, I saw a couple other times where a few defenders used the same move. Is this a new fad/technique, or have I been amazingly blind. I only remember a downward swing or a pulling motion in the past. I don't remember any punch play. My only concern is that the runner gets to keep running with the ball while the defender winds up to take his swing at the ball. At least a little extra yardage on each play as a result. It looked likely to be pretty effective for causing turnovers though, so I'm guessing it's an acceptable cost for the big play.
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09-12-2005, 10:14 PM	#2
PastorMikH Will KC ever be better? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Land of Red Dirt & Necks Casino cash: $103743	Ahhh, an upercut "hack" at the ball that if you miss the ball leaves a mark on the carrier and the ref can't call anything. I love it! __________________
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09-12-2005, 10:15 PM	#4
irishjayhawk Feelin' Alright Join Date: Aug 2004 Casino cash: $36445	DJ was the master of that in college.... __________________ "Think about how stupid the average person is. Then remember that half the people in the world are stupider than that." --George Carlin
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09-12-2005, 10:19 PM	#5
Coach Play ball! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $72949	Yes, I noticed that. But there were also a few over the head strips, especially when it was coming after the QB. Jared Allen had one that caused the fumble. Sammy Knight also did it that caused the fumble. Either way, last year, it just seemed like they were more worried about trying to bring the guy down without even trying to create a turnover. Not to mention that our tackling was horrible at the time. This year, so far, the tackling has been improved and impressive for the Chiefs, along with trying to strip the ball away. __________________
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09-12-2005, 10:20 PM	#6
Iowanian Hey Jack! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Jolly Barnyard Casino cash: $417318	I can't tell you how Big, and quietly I smiled to myself....seeing a flashing LB with a 50something number tomahawking the ball out of a qb. __________________ "Silence is Golden. Duct Tape is silver"
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09-12-2005, 10:25 PM	#7
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09-12-2005, 10:43 PM	#8
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09-12-2005, 11:01 PM	#9
Pants Time Keeps On Slipping Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $1357598	Didn't Kennison lose one of his long fumbles this way as well? Err, talking about last year here... __________________ ZootedGranny: "That's the reason my FFL team name is TrentGreenLeadBlock. When you see this mother****er coming around the corner on a block, put your children to bed and batten down the hatch on your girl's snatch, because the same power that destroys defenders can scar the minds of the youth and simultaneously impregnate any woman within sight, live or on television."
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09-13-2005, 04:18 AM	#11
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09-13-2005, 07:39 AM	#14
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09-13-2005, 07:45 AM	#15
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