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Old 09-14-2000, 04:59 PM  
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I posted this on the old BB, & thought everyone should see it.

I just got the September 10 edition of the Chiefs Report, which was written before the Titans Game. If you were disappointed in the play calling on Sunday, and you want to remain a Gun fan don't read this quote:

"The bottom line is we're going to run the ball when we can, and when we are in a situation when we need to throw, we're still going to run the football."

This is a direct quote from Gunther from before the Titans Game evidently he wasn't kidding!

What a stupid thing to say, and an even more stupid thing to do! The Chiefs ran twice on 3rd & 13, They ran 4 times from 1st & goal, and they sacrificed the game by trying to run in the 4th qtr when they couldn't run all day.

There is another quote in this article about how Gun told JR to NEVER throw the ball if they were backed up in their own territory, and just to get in good position for punting.

Jimmy Raye, I am sorry that I badmouthed you. Gunther's Idea of Offensive philosophy is to try to prove to the other head coach that he is the more stubborn coach. Good plan idiot! How about trying to gameplan to take advantage of the other teams weakness in a given situation?

I am officially off of the Gun bandwagon, and it pains me to say it because I really liked gun, but his offensive philosophy is horrible. With this philosophy the Chiefs will NEVER be able to use their 2 best weapons effectively (SLYMO & GONZO), and that is sad because they could both be stars in this league. <P>
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Old 09-14-2000, 08:05 PM   #2
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My entire stance has been this. If it is Gun's fault, then Gun must go. If it is the coordinator's fault, Gun is the one who hired and kept the coordinator, so it all comes back to Gun either way. Bottom line, Gun must go...
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Old 09-14-2000, 08:21 PM   #3
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Da, Your logic is 100% correct! The common denominator in all equasions however is "The King," he is responsible for it ALL! He must go first! (For a long term solution that is.)
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Old 09-14-2000, 09:50 PM   #4
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Well I've never been a huge Carl fan, but I've never been a huge detractor either. He has done his good things for the organization and he has proven that he can build winning teams. I think some coaching decisions and some things on the field that were out of his hands during the playoffs have prevented him from going to the Super Bowl. He has also made his mistakes too, from not being able to draft an impact offensive player until Gonzo to sitting pat after the '95 season with the same teamfor '96 to not going after any of the free agent corners that hit the market this offseason so we could continue playing man coverage because Warfield sucks and he should have been able to see that, I sure as hell did after last year's Tampa game.

I doubt Carl is going anywhere, but if Carl does go, I'd hope we could bring in a big time coach to run the show. Otherwise I'd hope Carl learns his lesson and goes out and hires a smart offensive guy to run the show...
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Old 09-15-2000, 06:40 AM   #5
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There is a HUGE flaw in logic here. The faulty assumption is that because Gunther is not a good HC, that therefore Raye is not a bad OC. It is a common mistake in logical analysis.

The evidence of Raye’s ineptitude at OC is clear. Check his resume. He has been a failure every time he has held the position.

I am, however, coming to the reluctant conclusion that Gunther also needs to go. I still believe he was what we needed when Marty bailed and left us a team of showboating thugs. Gunther brought some discipline and a sense of Team to a bad of “me-me-me” players. But it is becoming clear that Gunther has been Peter Principled into the Head Coach position. I hope his pride would allow him to accept the DC position, ‘cause I loved his ‘tude on Defense.

The only good thing I have to say about Gunther as a coach right now is that he is playing the rookies. Since we are probably going nowhere until we have a complete turnover of the coaching staff, at least the young kids are getting some serious PT.

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Old 09-15-2000, 06:46 AM   #6
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Bravo, Gaz...

Gun has to be given the blame for not recognizing the failures of our offense and trying something new or different to score points and win games.

It's obvious to me that he is neither interested in scoring or believes his defense can do both score and defend the other offense.

136 yards on 57 rushing attemps is PATHETIC for a team that supposedly is a running team. This aint gonna work against SD. It's time to throw that other offensive 'gimmick', Gun, and it's called the forward pass.
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Old 09-15-2000, 07:58 AM   #7
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As recently as one month ago, Bob Dole was willing to give Gunther the benefit of the doubt. The benefit that he was forced to keep Raye and Stock and little Schotty. That benefit has nearly disappeared in the past 4 weeks. His inconsistent behavior contributes significantly to that, as does the play calling.

Gun either doesn't realize there is a problem and therefore has done nothing (or has just done the same thing as the incompetent coordinators), or is unwilling to address the problem at its root. Either way, Bob Dole has lost his faith in Gun.
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Old 09-15-2000, 08:04 AM   #8
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I agree with all of you, but will your feelings change towards any members of the coaching staff if a miracle occurs and the Chiefs end the season at, say, 11-5?
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Old 09-15-2000, 08:25 AM   #9
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No.

My opinion of the Chiefs staff is not based on our 0-2 start. I take many factors into account before I form an opinion. That is one reason that Schottenheimer and Gunther got the benefit of the doubt up to this point. They were both rookies at their respective jobs at got the same tolerance that all rookies get. They have, however, proven to me that they are just as unqualified for their jobs as the rest of the Stooges.

My opinion could change if I saw changes in the performance of the Stooges. If Raye learned to call an unpredictable Offense that took advantage of mismatches and kept the enemy off-balance, then I would have to reconsider my opinion that he is unqualified for the position. Ditto the other Stooges.

If, however, we stumbled along, got some lucky bounces and finished up 11-5 without crisp, clear evidence of a MASSIVE shift in coaching philosophy, then I would still be done with the Stooges.

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Old 09-15-2000, 08:30 AM   #10
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Gaz,

I agree with you 100%.

Your last post also sums up exactly how I feel about Grbac, even after last season. His 3,200 yds, 22 tds & 15 ints were, to me, the equivalent of the Chiefs pulling a miracle 11-5 season out of their --- this year without really improving. The change(s) still needs to be made.
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Old 09-15-2000, 08:33 AM   #11
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What I am confused about is the inconsistant comments and sound-bites from the media.

Maybe Gun is on something?????????

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Old 09-15-2000, 09:13 AM   #12
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I would love to see an 11-5 season, I don't belive it can be this year.

Like most have said, you never change OC in the middle of a season, likewise look at the history of changing HC in the middle of the season. Dismal begats dismal.

Looks like we are in for a long season unless what we are all seeing is a fluke.

Look forward to Sunday, SD 5th in the league in rush defense, 16th in pass defense. Obversly the Chiefs are 29th in rush offense and 24th in pass offense.

On the reverse KC is 23rd against the rush and 23rd on pass defense where SD is 26th in rushing and 29th in passing.

Need I say more?

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Old 09-15-2000, 09:19 AM   #13
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Grbac is not franchise QB material. I would not build a team around him, but I will keep him [with a new coaching staff and ] until we find our QBOTF. Despite desperate searching, I find no workable alternative who would be a true upgrade at the position [I am fairly sure that NFL rules prohibit kidnapping and brainwashing Peyton Manning]. There just ain't that many great QBs anymore. As soon as we determine that we have found our QBOTF, then I would sit Grbac down and throw that young pup into the fire.

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Old 09-15-2000, 09:22 AM   #14
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I would bench #18 and put #1 in. He still has the intelligence to do the job. His physical charictaristics may be dimenished but he has what Elvix doesn't ... ... HEART!
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Old 09-15-2000, 09:27 AM   #15
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I would agree if we were a QB away from a Super Bowl run. Sadly, we are not a QB away.

Grbac has done a good job so far this year, given the brain-dead Offensive plays that are called. Personally, I would rather see Grbac start audibling out of those stupid calls. He might still fail, but at least it would be his fault. If I am going to crash and burn, I at least want to be driving the bus when it happens.

For those who want Grbac on the pine, if you are going to replace Grbac, you need to replace him with someone who might be our QB while we look for our QBOTF. That might take a couple of years. Moon is obviously not the man to be our QB for a couple of years. If you INSIST on benching Grbac [a mistake, IMO], then you have to go with Collins.

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