Do you blame LJ for the fumble and/or loss?

**Rain Man** · 10-03-2005, 09:45 AM

While I know it's the running back's responsibility to control the handoff, it's obvious from the replays that Johnson never had the ball. It's not like he was careless with it, or wasn't protecting it. It was just a bad exchange.

Pffft. (Dismissive hand wave.)

siberian khatru · 10-03-2005, 09:48 AM

He got hit right after he got the handoff, which didn't help.

I thought Aikman made a good point: LJ didn't give Trent much of a "pocket" to insert the ball. I suspect LJ saw the Eagles guy running up to fill that hole and it distracted him.

So, blame the Eagles guy for influencing the play, but blame LJ for not doing his job.

ArrowheadHawk · 10-03-2005, 09:51 AM

if he can go the rest of the year without a fumble then i say its not his fault but if he turns into ahmed green then we have a problem

RedThat · 10-03-2005, 09:53 AM

I partially blame him, but not entirely. His mistake definately set the tone, momemtum in Phillys favor, no doubt. However, this was a total team failure from both players and coaching.

keg in kc · 10-03-2005, 10:23 AM

Yes and no.

Yes because he never secured the ball, and that's job #1.

No because Kearse was in his grill so fast. Hell, he might have dropped the ball from sheer shock. There's no excuse for that kind of a breakdown in blocking.

**KC Dan** · 10-03-2005, 10:26 AM

I don't blame LJ, I don't blame Trent, I place the blame on DV & AS for having LJ in the game to begin with. Priest was having a good 1st half & should have been in the game. If he is ineffective, then pull him for LJ

Dr. Facebook Fever · 10-03-2005, 10:31 AM

It would have been nice if someone had blocked the Eagles player on that play so LJ would have had a chance. Then it would have been nice if the coaches wouldn't have made bone-headed descisions. Then it would have been nice if the players could have found the resiliance and heart to not blow it completely.

digi2fish · 10-03-2005, 10:36 AM

the coach should know to send the RB in better shape on the field, can't blame it on the players.

htismaqe · 10-03-2005, 10:37 AM

The turning point in the game wasn't LJ's fumble.

The idea that the Eagles seized momentum before halftime is horseshit.

The Chiefs made no adjustments at halftime, on offense or defense, and lost by 6, despite leading at the half by 11.

Don't blame LJ. Blame the COACHES.

jspchief · 10-03-2005, 10:39 AM

I blame the coaches for putting LJ in when Holmes was shredding. I'm tired of this ****ing experiment. Let the best RB in Chiefs history run the damn ball.

Chiefnj · 10-03-2005, 10:40 AM

All of the turnovers hurt. All of the missed tackles and missed sacks hurt. The defensive coaching scheme hurt. The offensive coaching scheme in the 2nd half hurt. It was an all around team and coaching loss, just like the Broncos game.

InChiefsHell · 10-03-2005, 10:42 AM

Coaches choked on this one. Plain and simple. You can't blame the coaches for the fumble, but the circumstances that created it (playing LJ to begin with) are definately coaching issues.

brent102fire · 10-03-2005, 10:43 AM

Whatever

says!

onescrewleftuntwisted · 10-03-2005, 11:11 AM

kepp · 10-03-2005, 11:14 AM

From what I saw LJ didn't have a chance to even get the ball. I'd be more inclined to blame whoever missed their blocking assignment than to blame LJ.

View Poll Results: Do you blame LJ for the fumble and/or loss?
The fumble was just a bad luck event, and it wasn't the backbreaker the media says.	17	18.48%
The fumble was indeed LJ's fault, but it wasn't the backbreaker the media says.	19	20.65%
The fumble was just a bad luck event, but it let them back into the game and shifted the momentum permanently.	24	26.09%
The fumble was indeed LJ's fault, and it let them back into the game and shifted the momentum permanently.	30	32.61%
What fumble? What game? Did Willie Roaf play?	2	2.17%
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10-03-2005, 09:45 AM
Rain Man Welcome, Eric Fisher & Friends Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 1.61 KM high city Casino cash: $62682284	Do you blame LJ for the fumble and/or loss? While I know it's the running back's responsibility to control the handoff, it's obvious from the replays that Johnson never had the ball. It's not like he was careless with it, or wasn't protecting it. It was just a bad exchange. Pffft. (Dismissive hand wave.)
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10-03-2005, 09:48 AM	#2
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $114278	He got hit right after he got the handoff, which didn't help. I thought Aikman made a good point: LJ didn't give Trent much of a "pocket" to insert the ball. I suspect LJ saw the Eagles guy running up to fill that hole and it distracted him. So, blame the Eagles guy for influencing the play, but blame LJ for not doing his job. __________________ If you make enough good decisions, three-year plans turn into two-year plans and five-year plans turn into three-year plans. If you make bad decisions, 10-year plans turn into no plan. -- Dayton Moore, 2006 "I'm not talking about getting to .500, I'm talking about winning the World Series when I say eight to 10 years." -- Dayton Moore, May 20, 2009
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10-03-2005, 09:51 AM	#3
ArrowheadHawk Bringing the Pain! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Casino cash: $87250	if he can go the rest of the year without a fumble then i say its not his fault but if he turns into ahmed green then we have a problem __________________
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10-03-2005, 09:53 AM	#4
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $24799	I partially blame him, but not entirely. His mistake definately set the tone, momemtum in Phillys favor, no doubt. However, this was a total team failure from both players and coaching.
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10-03-2005, 10:23 AM	#5
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $1346474	Yes and no. Yes because he never secured the ball, and that's job #1. No because Kearse was in his grill so fast. Hell, he might have dropped the ball from sheer shock. There's no excuse for that kind of a breakdown in blocking.
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10-03-2005, 10:26 AM	#6
KC Dan Red, White & Blue for the U.S. Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Great Northwest now.. Casino cash: $53548	I don't blame LJ, I don't blame Trent, I place the blame on DV & AS for having LJ in the game to begin with. Priest was having a good 1st half & should have been in the game. If he is ineffective, then pull him for LJ __________________ "And if you don't know where you're going Any road will take you there" - George Harrison
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10-03-2005, 10:31 AM	#7
Dr. Facebook Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $7620	It would have been nice if someone had blocked the Eagles player on that play so LJ would have had a chance. Then it would have been nice if the coaches wouldn't have made bone-headed descisions. Then it would have been nice if the players could have found the resiliance and heart to not blow it completely. __________________ courtesy of BoneKrusher "Baseball? It's just a game. As simple as a ball and bat, yet as complex as the American spirit it symbolizes. It's a sport, a business and sometimes a religion." Ernie Harwell
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10-03-2005, 10:36 AM	#8
digi2fish Your Asian Chief Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York Casino cash: $2280	the coach should know to send the RB in better shape on the field, can't blame it on the players. __________________ 堪薩斯 = Kansas / 市 = City / 酋長 = Chiefs 驢子 = doncos / 看到驢子輸球就很爽 = always a pleasure to see the doncos lose I'm the noontime nitecrew
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10-03-2005, 10:37 AM	#9
htismaqe In the misty morning... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: on the edge of time... Casino cash: $1049490	The turning point in the game wasn't LJ's fumble. The idea that the Eagles seized momentum before halftime is horseshit. The Chiefs made no adjustments at halftime, on offense or defense, and lost by 6, despite leading at the half by 11. Don't blame LJ. Blame the COACHES. __________________ Don't live for pleasure, make life your treasure... \m/ Ronnie James Dio, 1942-2010 \m/
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10-03-2005, 10:39 AM	#10
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $52150	I blame the coaches for putting LJ in when Holmes was shredding. I'm tired of this ****ing experiment. Let the best RB in Chiefs history run the damn ball. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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10-03-2005, 10:40 AM	#11
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $1025	All of the turnovers hurt. All of the missed tackles and missed sacks hurt. The defensive coaching scheme hurt. The offensive coaching scheme in the 2nd half hurt. It was an all around team and coaching loss, just like the Broncos game.
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10-03-2005, 10:42 AM	#12
InChiefsHell Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $1075747	Coaches choked on this one. Plain and simple. You can't blame the coaches for the fumble, but the circumstances that created it (playing LJ to begin with) are definately coaching issues. __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! A quote: "Oh well, there's always next year. We'll be better then, you'll see..." - Every Chiefs fan for the last 42...crap...43 years... Quit listening to all that crappy new music and check out HEADSTRONG!
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10-03-2005, 10:43 AM	#13
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10-03-2005, 11:11 AM	#14
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10-03-2005, 11:14 AM	#15
kepp MVP Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $189594	From what I saw LJ didn't have a chance to even get the ball. I'd be more inclined to blame whoever missed their blocking assignment than to blame LJ.
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