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Old 10-16-2005, 02:41 PM  
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As much as it pisses me off to say it, I was right...

Everybody blaming McCleon can all quit now.

The problem with this pass defense is 100% GUNTHER.

Vermeil said before the game that he wanted to activate Warfield to play at least on special teams but the defensive coaches didn't want him active and Vermeil "gave in".

If McCleon (or lack of Warfield) was the SOLE reason for the soft zone, then you'd think Gunther would have been chomping at the bit to get him in. Instead, Gunther goes against the head coach and has him inactive while we give up another 300-yard passing game...
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Old 10-16-2005, 02:52 PM   #2
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It would have been Washington or Warfield today. Washington doesn't have a rap sheet. Maybe Gun said, "If I can't have him on D, piss on it." Did Warfield's absence on D come at the expense of putting Bo on O?" WGAS? The Chiefs won!
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Old 10-16-2005, 02:54 PM   #3
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I agree with you on this, Gunther has lost his mind.
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Old 10-16-2005, 02:56 PM   #4
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I agree with you on this, Gunther has lost his mind.
He has been spending to much time with Dick.
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Old 10-16-2005, 02:59 PM   #5
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This shit sounds a whole lot more like VD than it does Gun.
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Old 10-16-2005, 03:00 PM   #6
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Vermeil said twice in pre-game that he wanted Warfield active, if for nothing else for special teams.

He said the defensive coaches were adamant and the discussion was "heated". And he ultimately gave up and Warfield was inactive.
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Old 10-16-2005, 03:01 PM   #7
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DV didn't have to "give in". He needs to take some responsibility. If his defensive coaching staff is making bad calls, he's the one that needs to call them on it.
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Old 10-16-2005, 03:03 PM   #8
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In all honesty, I think Warfield hurt himself. I don't entirely blame Gunther, or even Vermeil. Warfield created a problem, and it's his job to fix it.
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Old 10-16-2005, 03:03 PM   #9
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"Defensive coaches" doesn't mean Gunther. For all we know it was freaking Giunta.
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Old 10-16-2005, 03:04 PM   #10
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Vermeil said twice in pre-game that he wanted Warfield active, if for nothing else for special teams.

He said the defensive coaches were adamant and the discussion was "heated". And he ultimately gave up and Warfield was inactive.
DV is the head coach. His descions should be final. IM surprised he let himself be overuled??
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Old 10-16-2005, 03:06 PM   #11
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So when the defense sucks ass and Vermeil has input, it's all Vermeil's fault.

And then when Vermeil does EXACTLY WHAT EVERYBODY HERE WANTED and let's the defensive coaches make the decisions, it's STILL HIS FAULT?

Pure bullshit. People will go to great lengths to defend Gunther, even though he sucks.
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Old 10-16-2005, 03:07 PM   #12
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DV is the head coach. His descions should be final. IM surprised he let himself be overuled??





I feel as if he doesn't care......
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Old 10-16-2005, 03:07 PM   #13
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So when the defense sucks ass and Vermeil has input, it's all Vermeil's fault.

And then when Vermeil does EXACTLY WHAT EVERYBODY HERE WANTED and let's the defensive coaches make the decisions, it's STILL HIS FAULT?

Pure bullshit. People will go to great lengths to defend Gunther, even though he sucks.
That's the risk you take of being a head coach. EVERYTHING is your fault, good or bad, because you have the final say in things.
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Old 10-16-2005, 03:09 PM   #14
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My understanding is Gun wants Warfield as teh starter, but DV wanted McCleon... DV wanted Warfield to play as a part-timer and special teams player.. So Gun said **** you, you want McCleon he is starting and Warfield will sit until he can be my starter..


thats my take... Gun is taking on DV because the guys loyalities are pathetic to halfassed players...
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