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Pass some thanks to Gus Frerotten




MIAMI — Don’t forget to thank Gus Frerotte today. I mean, if you’re going to truly celebrate the Chiefs’ “Friday Night Lights” victory over the Miami Dolphins, you might as well thank the man most responsible.

Don’t get upset. Yes, the Chiefs deserve lots of credit for getting on a plane Friday morning, gassing up Willie Roaf, Brian Waters, Will Shields, Casey Wiegmann, Jordan Black and John Welbourn and riding Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson to a 30-20 victory.

Kansas City’s offensive line and running backs were quite impressive against one of the better front fours in all of football. The Chiefs rushed for 185 yards and three TDs. Trent Green threw for 289 yards.

But — and you knew I would have a but — KC’s second straight victory left a bittersweet taste in my mouth. Despite being impressed with the Chiefs’ resolve and professionalism, I was far from overwhelmed and primarily left Dolphins Stadium wondering what this victory would mean the day before Halloween in San Diego.

You see, the Chiefs, 4-2, did what they were supposed to do in Miami. Dick Vermeil has a better team than first-year Dolphins coach Nick Saban. If the Chiefs showed up and gave a professional effort, they had almost no choice but to beat the Dolphins as long as Frerotte was under center.

So, it’s difficult for me to get wrapped up in all of the emotion of the Chiefs “overcoming adversity” to beat a bad Miami team. The Chiefs get paid a significant sum of money to play football. Vermeil and his players deserve credit for not being distracted by commissioner Paul Tagliabue’s decision to move this game from Sunday to Friday out of concern about Hurricane Wilma.

Once it became obvious that they weren’t distracted — the Chiefs opened the game with an eight-play, 80-yard TD drive — all that was left to figure out Friday was KC’s final margin of victory.

Miami quarterback Frerotte is that bad, that inaccurate. Frerotte and his 38-percent completion percentage hamstrung Miami’s offense to the point that you almost feel sorry for Miami’s defenders. Frerotte completed just 11 of 29 passes Friday and finished the night with a 37.3 passer rating.

Those of you unable to watch Friday’s affair didn’t miss all that much.

Quite frankly, I spent much of Friday night wondering how this game would affect the Oct. 30 showdown with Marty Schottenheimer and the San Diego Chargers. You’d think that the two-days-early victory would set the Chiefs up nicely for the Chargers.

“We’re getting an extra day of practice, so you’d think it’s an advantage,” said cornerback Eric Warfield, a surprise starter Friday night.

“It can’t hurt us,” Waters said. “You’d have to say we have some momentum going into that game. We’re playing pretty good ball right now, and we got our offense going.”

Yes, the offense is going. The defense is what’s worrisome. The best thing about Friday night was that Warfield was in the starting lineup. Defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham informed Warfield that he’d be starting in the locker room just before the Chiefs took the field for pregame warm-ups.

“It was a last-minute decision,” Warfield said. “Me and Dewayne (Washington) split time all week in practice. I was surprised.”

Warfield played pretty well. The Dolphins didn’t throw in his direction that often on Friday. And even when they did, Frerotte was so inaccurate it didn’t matter. But it was good that Warfield was thrown back into the starting lineup before flying to San Diego next weekend and taking on Drew Brees and Keenan McCardell.

The Dolphins are a great exhibition opponent for a defense.

The defensive effort the Chiefs gave Friday night won’t be nearly good enough against San Diego. Safety Greg Wesley had a miserable game. Ronnie Brown ran Wesley over on his way to a 65-yard touchdown. And Wesley was beaten on a couple of passing plays. Cornerback Patrick Surtain also struggled. The Dolphins had open receivers all evening. Frerotte just over- or underthrew them all night.

The Chiefs need to use their extra days of preparation to fix their defense. Five days after hammering Washington quarterback Mark Brunell, the Chiefs didn’t mount much of a pass rush Friday. Gunther Cunningham will have plenty of time to install some new wrinkles to his defense before the Chiefs hit San Diego.
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Old 10-22-2005, 12:16 AM   #2
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I'm convinced Whitlock just writes crap like this JUST to rile up Chief fans. The fact that he has to put a negative spin on a pretty impressive road victory, especially under the circumstances we played in, makes that clear.
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Old 10-22-2005, 12:19 AM   #3
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Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Did he just say Surtain struggled? I do agree with him that Miami had some open receivers Frerotte missed, but Chambers was absolutely kept in check by Surtain. Pat played on the right for a few plays I recall. Apparently Gunther finally got with the program. I don't think Surtain could've been any more shutdown than he was.
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Old 10-22-2005, 12:21 AM   #4
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Jason Whitlock can KISS MY PLUMP WHITE ASS!

The Dolphins beat the Panthers (4-2) and the Broncos (5-1) in their other two home games.

If Miami had come to KC and gotten whipped, yes, I'd agree with him. But this is just bullshit.

Hopefully the Chiefs read it and get riled up for SD.
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Old 10-22-2005, 12:23 AM   #6
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Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Did he just say Surtain struggled? I do agree with him that Miami had some open receivers Frerotte missed, but Chambers was absolutely kept in check by Surtain. Pat played on the right for a few plays I recall. Apparently Gunther finally got with the program.
It looks like view from the Dolphins beat-writer for the Miami Herald has a different take of how Surtain played versus Chambers most of the night

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...s/12968606.htm


CHIEFS 30, DOLPHINS 20


Dolphins flounder in short week

The Dolphins offered little resistance to the Chiefs, who traveled and played Friday because of Hurricane Wilma.

BY ARMANDO SALGUERO

asalguero@herald.com


This time the Dolphins can't blame their ineffectiveness on a gaggle of penalties or a handful of turnovers or a plane ride to an opposing city.

This time the Dolphins may have to look in a mirror and admit this 30-20 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs was the result of an inferior team facing a superior team and offering little resistance in front of precious few fans.

''We just didn't play very well,'' Dolphins coach Nick Saban said. ``Offensively we were not in sync with what we're doing to put drives together to possess the ball. We're not at all where we need to be on either side of the ball.

``The consistency is not what it needs to be down in, down out on either side of the ball.''

Until now, the Dolphins had fallen back on logical reasons for their previous losses. They had a team record 18 penalties in a loss to Buffalo, they were on the road in losses to the Jets and Tampa Bay. They simply were victims of circumstance.

But Friday night turned out the lights on the excuses.

The Dolphins had a season-low four penalties and had a huge advantage of playing at home in a game moved up two days by the prospect of a Hurricane Wilma landfall in Florida this weekend. The Chiefs arrived in South Florida at 9 a.m. after not even conducting a full practice Thursday.

`THEY SHOWED UP'

And yet it was the Chiefs who scored on their first possession, pounding the Miami defense on an eight-play, 80-yard drive that set the tone for their performance.

''They showed up and played and we didn't,'' said linebacker Donnie Spragan, who replaced an injured Junior Seau for the second consecutive week. ``It didn't matter if the game was today or Sunday. If we played like we did today, we're going to lose.''

That was evident in Miami's response to the Kansas City opening drive: The Dolphins went three plays and out.

The Miami offense was in a fog the entire game except for two moments of clarity. The first bolt of lightning was a 65-yard touchdown run by rookie Ronnie Brown, and the second was a 77-yard touchdown pass to Chris Chambers.

That second score might resonate for some time because it came from the arm of Sage Rosenfels with 2:35 left in the game.

Rosenfels replaced Frerotte in that series and his first throw was the touchdown. Frerotte had struggled by completing 11 of 29 passes for 125 yards without a touchdown but one interception.

Frerotte's passer rating for the game was a season-low 37.3. Rosenfels' passer rating was a perfect 158.3 because the TD pass was his only pass of the night.

Afterward, Frerotte took responsibility for his struggles, saying, ``I feel like I didn't play my best today. I have to go out and do that.''

Rosenfels shook off suggestions he should be Miami's starter. ''I'm here as an insurance policy,'' he said.

So maybe it's not a quarterback controversy in the making. But can you say quarterback quandary -- as in why not give Rosenfels more of a chance?

''I haven't thought about it yet,'' Saban said. ``The guy made one pass. I'm not here to say we're disappointed in Gus. I'm not going to say we're satisfied with Gus. If you ask him, I think he would tell you he's not satisfied with himself.

``We're here to say we'll help both guys improve and we'll make a decision on what is the better thing for our offensive team.''

Indeed, the Dolphins seemingly have more pressing issues than the quarterback position.

They proved they are not infallible at home, losing their first home game of the season and third in a row to drop to 2-4.

SECONDARY ISSUES

The Miami secondary proved that all the good coaching and scheming in the world cannot overcome a lack of talent. That was obvious after cornerback Sam Madison left the game with a hip pointer, safety Tebucky Jones left the game with a pectoral muscle injury that could be serious, and safety Lance Schulters was forced to play most of the second half with a thigh bruise.

Cornerback Reggie Howard and safety Travares Tillman will be pressed into service and, although Tillman seemed to hold his own, Howard struggled as he has in at least two previous games.

Howard not only yielded two significant completions -- including a 29-yarder that led to Kansas City's second touchdown -- but he also drew a defensive holding penalty that erased an interception by Travis Daniels.

''We don't seem to be playing with the confidence we need,'' Saban said.

And although Miami's defensive backfield yielded 277 net passing yards and Kansas City quarterback Trent Green completed 20 of 34 passes, the Chiefs' secondary mostly prospered.

Chiefs cornerback Patrick Surtain, traded to the Chiefs in the offseason after seven seasons with the Dolphins, proved that his much-hyped practice duels with Chambers were not dominated by the receiver, as Chambers said this week.

Surtain seemingly erased Chambers from field for much of the game -- he had zero receptions the first three quarters of the game. It wasn't until 8:16 remained in the fourth quarter that Chambers offered his first contribution -- an 11-yard catch.


When Chambers caught his 77-yarder, Surtain was not assigned to cover him.

''Guys, we need to make more plays,'' Saban said. ``And we need to put our players in a position to make plays.

``I believe in players and believe we need to make more plays than what we made. All we can do about this game is learn from it. It's very disappointing and I'm very frustrated. I know we're capable of playing better than what we played tonight.''
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Old 10-22-2005, 12:26 AM   #7
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I was on FinHeaven during the game and one of the members made a thread asking if Chambers was even playing because he hadn't caught a pass. This was in the 3rd quarter.

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Old 10-22-2005, 12:46 AM   #8
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It looks like view from the Dolphins beat-writer for the Miami Herald has a different take of how Surtain played versus Chambers most of the night
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...s/12968606.htm
Chiefs cornerback Patrick Surtain, traded to the Chiefs in the offseason after seven seasons with the Dolphins, proved that his much-hyped practice duels with Chambers were not dominated by the receiver, as Chambers said this week.
Surtain seemingly erased Chambers from field for much of the game -- he had zero receptions the first three quarters of the game. It wasn't until 8:16 remained in the fourth quarter that Chambers offered his first contribution -- an 11-yard catch.

When Chambers caught his 77-yarder, Surtain was not assigned to cover him.


Nice post! The Miami writer is spot on. Twitlock likes nothing better than to stir the ****. I'm sure he loves it when Chiefs' fans take the bait. It's job security for him.
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Old 10-22-2005, 05:28 AM   #9
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Pass some thanks to Gus Frerotten




MIAMI — Don’t forget to thank Gus Frerotte today. I mean, if you’re going to truly celebrate the Chiefs’ “Friday Night Lights” victory over the Miami Dolphins, you might as well thank the man most responsible.

Don’t get upset. Yes, the Chiefs deserve lots of credit for getting on a plane Friday morning, gassing up Willie Roaf, Brian Waters, Will Shields, Casey Wiegmann, Jordan Black and John Welbourn and riding Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson to a 30-20 victory.

Kansas City’s offensive line and running backs were quite impressive against one of the better front fours in all of football. The Chiefs rushed for 185 yards and three TDs. Trent Green threw for 289 yards.

But — and you knew I would have a but — KC’s second straight victory left a bittersweet taste in my mouth. Despite being impressed with the Chiefs’ resolve and professionalism, I was far from overwhelmed and primarily left Dolphins Stadium wondering what this victory would mean the day before Halloween in San Diego.

You see, the Chiefs, 4-2, did what they were supposed to do in Miami. Dick Vermeil has a better team than first-year Dolphins coach Nick Saban. If the Chiefs showed up and gave a professional effort, they had almost no choice but to beat the Dolphins as long as Frerotte was under center.

So, it’s difficult for me to get wrapped up in all of the emotion of the Chiefs “overcoming adversity” to beat a bad Miami team. The Chiefs get paid a significant sum of money to play football. Vermeil and his players deserve credit for not being distracted by commissioner Paul Tagliabue’s decision to move this game from Sunday to Friday out of concern about Hurricane Wilma.

Once it became obvious that they weren’t distracted — the Chiefs opened the game with an eight-play, 80-yard TD drive — all that was left to figure out Friday was KC’s final margin of victory.

Miami quarterback Frerotte is that bad, that inaccurate. Frerotte and his 38-percent completion percentage hamstrung Miami’s offense to the point that you almost feel sorry for Miami’s defenders. Frerotte completed just 11 of 29 passes Friday and finished the night with a 37.3 passer rating.

Those of you unable to watch Friday’s affair didn’t miss all that much.

Quite frankly, I spent much of Friday night wondering how this game would affect the Oct. 30 showdown with Marty Schottenheimer and the San Diego Chargers. You’d think that the two-days-early victory would set the Chiefs up nicely for the Chargers.

“We’re getting an extra day of practice, so you’d think it’s an advantage,” said cornerback Eric Warfield, a surprise starter Friday night.

“It can’t hurt us,” Waters said. “You’d have to say we have some momentum going into that game. We’re playing pretty good ball right now, and we got our offense going.”

Yes, the offense is going. The defense is what’s worrisome. The best thing about Friday night was that Warfield was in the starting lineup. Defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham informed Warfield that he’d be starting in the locker room just before the Chiefs took the field for pregame warm-ups.

“It was a last-minute decision,” Warfield said. “Me and Dewayne (Washington) split time all week in practice. I was surprised.”

Warfield played pretty well. The Dolphins didn’t throw in his direction that often on Friday. And even when they did, Frerotte was so inaccurate it didn’t matter. But it was good that Warfield was thrown back into the starting lineup before flying to San Diego next weekend and taking on Drew Brees and Keenan McCardell.

The Dolphins are a great exhibition opponent for a defense.

The defensive effort the Chiefs gave Friday night won’t be nearly good enough against San Diego. Safety Greg Wesley had a miserable game. Ronnie Brown ran Wesley over on his way to a 65-yard touchdown. And Wesley was beaten on a couple of passing plays. Cornerback Patrick Surtain also struggled. The Dolphins had open receivers all evening. Frerotte just over- or underthrew them all night.

The Chiefs need to use their extra days of preparation to fix their defense. Five days after hammering Washington quarterback Mark Brunell, the Chiefs didn’t mount much of a pass rush Friday. Gunther Cunningham will have plenty of time to install some new wrinkles to his defense before the Chiefs hit San Diego.
I disagree in part, with this article. I thought the Chiefs put pressure on Frerotte. I also feel like Surtain had at least a decent game. I would not charactorize his performance as a "struggle".

I also feel satisfied with the "effort". I'm not particularly satisfied with the results all the time. But the effort has been there ever since the bye week. IMO

For the 1st time in in quite some time I feel encouraged about the progress of the defense. Quite frankly, they're hitting people.

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The worst beating we ever took at LSU was after a game against Vanderbilt which we won on a last second lucky ass bullshit bomb in the end zone. Everybody's happy and they're going "why are you pissed we won didn't we?" Well we didn't block anybody, we didn't tackle anybody, we didn't line up on defense correctly but everybody's happy cause we won and that's all that mattes right? But next week we got killed because we we forgot about following and executing the process that leads to the positive results.
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JW's article was a parody of what Saban said on national TV. Last night's game was a mix of positive attitude on the Chiefs' side, and terrible play calling on the Dolphins' side. Whitlock is his old self in this article:

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Gus had a bad game and he's not a good QB, but I think we had something to do with his performance.

I mean, this IS the same guy who torched Denver with 24-for-36/275/2 in Week 1. If we don't play well defensively, who's to say he doesn't step up? I mean, we're the "career day D," right? We beg nobodies to become somebodies.

Yeah, Drew Brees is better. Yeah, that will be an extraordinarly tough game. We will definitely have to bring our "A" game. But, jeez, I give all the credit last night to the Chiefs. You can always play games like "well, if they'd been facing and Batman, it would've been different."
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