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Old 11-01-2005, 10:08 AM  
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Random Thoughs on DV and other Coaching Candidates

I say DV will end up coaching somewhere else in a couple of years. I wouldn't be all that suprised if he ends up somewhere else next year with all the available openings. In order for that to happen Peterson will have to say what's really on his mind though.

Out of the available candidates the only coach capable of installing a system that performs above the teams level of talent is Mike Martz. :blink: No, I don't want him here either but he took 2 different nobodies at quarterback and turned them into pro bowlers in a year and I guarantee you wherever he goes he will churn out some offense and develop a pro bowl QB within 3 years. I'd love to have a hard nosed defensive Bill Parcells type at HC with a Mike Martz at offensive coordinator but that won't happen.

All the other candidates are just also rans who will do nothing but install basic run of the mill flavor of the week schemes offensively and defensively. Weis, Carroll, Herm Edwards, Childress, blah blah blah. There's a reason why there's such a large turnover at the head coaching position and expectations are rarely met. Every team and every coach does the same basic things. They all have the same amount of money to spend. They all have scouting departments. There are only so many ways to run an offense or defense. There are only so many high level players. There are no miracles.

In the NFL there are only a few coaches who build a team that consistently outperforms their talent level and those that are able to do so do it because of the strength of their "system" or the strength of their philosophy.

The rat is one with that zone blocking offense. Gruden is probably one. Parcells can do it defensively but his offensive philosophy is outdated. Marty can turn a loser into a winner. DV is and has been one but he doesn't have enough control of his defensive staff here. He was forced to let his own defensive staff go which now looks like a big mistake. People in KC have been spoiled expecting a #1 offense and this year they piss and moan but people forget their offensive team is built on rejects, retreads and projects with only 2 sure things (gonzales and roaf). For that offense to be in the upper echelon of the league 3 years in a row is a tribute to the coaches and the system. Bellichik has yet to prove he can do it without 8 or 9 number ones on a defensive football team.

None of those miracle candidates other then maybe Martz have any sort've a strong system in place that will give fans what they want.

I'm surprised nobody mentions Dick Lebeau as a prospect.....or does he even want to be one?
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:09 AM   #2
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:28 AM   #3
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I dont know if it's crazy but what about replacing Carl with Scott Pioli and DV with Gregg Williams? I sure alot of people around here would like to see Carl gone and it's safe to say that the team isn't going to the SB with DV. Keep Al and Gunther where they are (I don't know if Williams and Gunther would like that). A couple of years we might have a good shot at staying in the playoffs for more than 60 mins. Any thoughts?
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:34 AM   #4
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:35 AM   #5
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Carl will never leave until he gets too old to do his job. He was re-signed for 8 years in the offseason. All Lamar Hunt cares about is money and in that respect Carl is doing his job.

The problem with guys like Williams is they can't coach offense and usually bring in phuqtards to try and do that job. Thus you have a ton of teams with good defense with absolutely piss poor offense.
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:37 AM   #6
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:40 AM   #7
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:42 AM   #8
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Sorry B-A, but any post that mentions Mike Martz coming to KC makes me wanna

And then you say it was a mistake when DV was forced to let his defensive staff go??? What evidence is there for that?

I say no to Gregg Williams too. He's a great DC, bad HC.
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:45 AM   #9
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Pioli is under contract now. He signed a big extension.
Don't execs get the ability to step out of their contracts if another team offers them a job higher up the food chain?

I dont know if Carl really is the devil, but if you look back at the history of the team, its seems like hes been in on alot of the bad and only some of the good. With respect to his finacial management, I'm not too sure what to say. I would hope that Lamar would like to win another SB before he dies but who knows what he thinks deep down. I kind of wonder if his son is going to take over before long and what his approach might be. I'm not optimistic about him but you never know.
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:53 AM   #10
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Carl will never leave until he gets too old to do his job. He was re-signed for 8 years in the offseason. All Lamar Hunt cares about is money and in that respect Carl is doing his job.

The problem with guys like Williams is they can't coach offense and usually bring in phuqtards to try and do that job. Thus you have a ton of teams with good defense with absolutely piss poor offense.
I would hope that Al would stay around and have some leway in running the offense. I like what he has done, not always happy with everything but I would like to see Williams come in, rebuild the defense, leave Al's offense mostly alone and just provide some leadership. It seems like DV's style isn't always being bought in to. I've seen a couple of games the last 2 years in which you just know we got out coached. Some of the players phone in their performance sometimes, this is the thing that angers me the most. A good coach needs to squeze maximum performance out of the players he has. DV doesn't always. Just my 2 cents though, they listen to me as much as anyone here.
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:58 AM   #11
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I'd personally love to see us grab Billick if he's fired by the Ravens. I wanted to hire him back in '99 before he went to the Ravens. Yes he's loud, egotistical, brash, but frankly I think that's what this team needs personalitywise. I think that's part of why the Ravens have been so good on D since he got there, the personality of the team. Granted, his offenses have really sucked since he's been there and he doesn't seem to know crap about finding a quality QB, but he directed a pretty potent offense in Minnesota which is why he got the job in the first place, so if we could give him a good QB, maybe it works.

Just a thought. Otherwise I'd have to wait and see what's available. Carl has always been interested in looking at the college ranks for a coach, so you'll probably hear Stoops or maybe even Carroll mentioned (of course that's just an uneducated guess on my part, Carroll may not ever want to leave that situation)...
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Old 11-01-2005, 11:02 AM   #12
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Old 11-01-2005, 11:07 AM   #13
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Old 11-01-2005, 11:11 AM   #14
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I laughed when New England hired Belichick. For real.
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