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Old 12-11-2005, 10:50 PM  
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Peterson has totally let down Vermeil

Carl Peterson lures Vermeil out of retirement...Tells him, "you bring the offense, and I'll take care of the defense -- that's my specialty".

With the "talent" that CP had assembled, GR's 2001 year was about like 2000. D collapes in 2002 to become one of worst units of all-time. CP tells DV he'll fix it. He doesn't. It's just as bad in 2003 as 2002. CP blames not himself, but GR. Fires GR. Tells DV he'll fix it by bringing in Gunther, that Gunther is a D genuis. Fails miserably in 2004. Gunther and CP convince DV it is a talent defenciency, and that they will fix it. Fails yet again...

It seems to me that DV has done exactly what he was brought in to do. Deliver the best O in the NFL. Record-setting even. The offense was developed by DV and AS, with little assistance from CP. (Seems to me drafting LJ as insurance policy was all he has done.)

There has been a massive failure in this organization to correct the problems on D, and CP signs the players, and with GC, even forced a DC down DV's throat.

DV would have been much better off without any of Carl's "help".

When DV and AS leave, this organization is going to go all to hell, because CP will be in charge of both acquiring offense and defense talent.
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Old 12-11-2005, 10:51 PM   #2
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Old 12-11-2005, 10:55 PM   #3
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Carl Peterson lures Vermeil out of retirement...Tells him, "you bring the offense, and I'll take care of the defense -- that's my specialty".

With the "talent" that CP had assembled, GR's 2001 year was about like 2000. D collapes in 2002 to become one of worst units of all-time. CP tells DV he'll fix it. He doesn't. It's just as bad in 2003 as 2002. CP blames not himself, but GR. Fires GR. Tells DV he'll fix it by bringing in Gunther, that Gunther is a D genuis. Fails miserably in 2004. Gunther and CP convince DV it is a talent defenciency, and that they will fix it. Fails yet again...

It seems to me that DV has done exactly what he was brought in to do. Deliver the best O in the NFL. Record-setting even. The offense was developed by DV and AS, with little assistance from CP. (Seems to me drafting LJ as insurance policy was all he has done.)

There has been a massive failure in this organization to correct the problems on D, and CP signs the players, and with GC, even forced a DC down DV's throat.

DV would have been much better off without any of Carl's "help".

When DV and AS leave, this organization is going to go all to hell, because CP will be in charge of both acquiring offense and defense talent.
Cool!

It must be great having your internal spies in the Chiefs front offices to know the intimate working relationship between CP, DV, and AS.
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:31 PM   #4
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oh i don't know...

a case could be made that Vermeil has let Peterson down just as much.



1. Peterson waited too long before going after Defensive talent


2. Vermeil hasn't maximized the talent he does have (especially on defense) and doens't seem to know how to coach during a game.

2a. hires coaches who's scheme doesn't match players
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:34 PM   #5
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Would this be an appropriate place for, a "Dammit, Carl!!!"
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:36 PM   #6
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oh i don't know...

a case could be made that Vermeil has let Peterson down just as much.



1. Peterson waited too long before going after Defensive talent


2. Vermeil hasn't maximized the talent he does have (especially on defense) and doens't seem to know how to coach during a game.

2a. hires coaches who's scheme doesn't match players
I think there are some valid points in this thread, but what coaches do we have that don't match the scheme?
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:37 PM   #7
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Would this be an appropriate place for, a "Dammit, Carl!!!"
You rang?
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:37 PM   #8
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Cool!

It must be great having your internal spies in the Chiefs front offices to know the intimate working relationship between CP, DV, and AS.
Why are you on this board?

All you do is try to criticize someone's OPINION.

Wahh, you guys aren't coaches so you shouldn't question them, wahhh.
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:38 PM   #9
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:39 PM   #10
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:40 PM   #11
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I'm no apologist for CP, but the irony is the players he signed to help (Surtain, DJ, Bell) were some of bigger screw-ups on Sunday. Hard to fault him for Surtain, a guy who has made his share of INTs in his career, deciding to catch the ball the way a 4 year-old girl would.
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:40 PM   #12
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Why are you on this board?

All you do is try to criticize someone's OPINION.

Wahh, you guys aren't coaches so you shouldn't question them, wahhh.
Your opinion sucks shit.
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:41 PM   #13
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I think there are some valid points in this thread, but what coaches do we have that don't match the scheme?
actually i was referring to the first years of the vermeil tenure when we had Greg Robinson has defensive coordinator.


Robinson's read and react scheme calls for big road grader defensive line who can eat up blocks and protect the linebackers.

but we didn't have those AND VERMEIL doesn't like fat defensive lineman.

vermeil's player type preferences didn't match the scheme of the defensive coordinator he chose to hire.


secondary preferences didn't match either.


vermeil + Robinson was doomed from the very beginning.
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:45 PM   #14
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Cool!

It must be great having your internal spies in the Chiefs front offices to know the intimate working relationship between CP, DV, and AS.
How's this for you Chrissy:

16 years without a playoff win.
35 years without a super bowl APPEARENCE.

Is that concrete and factual enough for you?

Now shut your pie hole bitch.
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:48 PM   #15
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Your opinion sucks shit.
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