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Old 12-20-2005, 07:37 PM  
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Attn: Hi Def lovers

Now I have proof it is not my imagination. Today I did a 4 TV install with three standards and one Hi Def. As it happened, myself and the customer were able to stand at a point where we could see both the Hi Def and one of the standards at the same time. The Hi Def was hooked to a big screen Mitsubishi and the standard to a 27" Sony. I told him about you clowns worshipping the Hi Def and asked for his opinion. He agreed the standard was every bit as good as the Hi Def. But he said it did improve the picture on the Mitsubishi big screen by about 10% over the Dish Notwork he had on it before I arrived.
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:38 PM   #2
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Were you tuned to a hi-def channel?
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:39 PM   #3
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Compare a hi-def HDTV setup next to a standard HDTV setup (with no HD tuner) and you'll see the difference.
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:41 PM   #4
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:45 PM   #5
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:48 PM   #6
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Were you tuned to a hi-def channel?
Yep. HBO channel 509. I think it improves the quality of a big screen but not a small screen if you use the s video hookup on the small screen. Also, how much a customer notices a difference depends on what he had before. If he was on an off air antenna or a small town cable system he will really notice a big difference. If he is already on Directv, not much.
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:48 PM   #7
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It's simple math, Skip.

1920x1080 > 640x480

Just watch an HD channel and then switch to an SD channel...the difference is huge.
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:49 PM   #8
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Yep. HBO channel 509. I think it improves the quality of a big screen but not a small screen if you use the s video hookup on the small screen. Also, how much a customer notices a difference deends on what he had before. If he was on an off air antenna or a small town cable system he will really notice a big difference. If he is already on Directv, not much.
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HD signals can not be transmitted over an S-Video cable. Therefore, there should not be a discernable difference on the smaller screen television.
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:49 PM   #9
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I think it improves the quality of a big screen but not a small screen if you use the s video hookup on the small screen.
Most small screens aren't set up to take advantage of such a hi-resolution signal.

I know I wouldn't want a Hi-Def signal if I didn't have an HD-ready widescreen TV.
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:53 PM   #10
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HD signals can not be transmitted over an S-Video cable. Therefore, there should not be a discernable difference on the smaller screen television.
Read it again. The small screen standard unit was using s video. The HD doesn't have jacks for either s video or coax cable. Thanks for playing though, n00b.
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:01 PM   #11
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Here's an excellent comparison using Madden 2006:

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Old 12-20-2005, 08:03 PM   #12
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Yet another comparison, using the TV show "Lost"

Lost in SD

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Old 12-20-2005, 08:03 PM   #13
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How old was the other guy? Did he have his glasses on? Did you have your glasses on?

As a science teacher, I think that you could only do this test with 2 TV's that were the same make and model with the same hook ups. I can definitely tell the difference with DVD's on my HDTV over DTV with S video. Is it worth the price difference yet? No.
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:04 PM   #14
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I think Skip, and his customer base, are a minority. Not really worth arguing about it anymore.
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:07 PM   #15
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I can tell you that when I went to an electronics store recently, they has two indetical televisions set up side by side. Both of them were big screen. Both were on the same channel, playing the exact same thing. The Hi-Def picture blew the standard picture right the hell out of the water. No comparison whatsoever.
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