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Old 12-28-2005, 11:20 AM  
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Greg Williams - the obvious choice

I blasted on Gregg Williams last week and I still don't think he's as good of an option at head coach as Saunders, but with that not sounding like much of a possiblity, it's starting to look like it's gonna come down to Herm, Greg Williams, Tim Lewis, Stoops, and Pete Carroll.

If Stoops is named head coach I won't be able to do anything but laugh. None of his schemes have held up when he's gone against anyone other then Mack Brown. I don't think Carroll wants to leave USC and there's really nothing X and O wise he carries that makes him much of a wanted man in the NFL that I see.....other then his college record and the fact that he has some unsuccessful head coaching experience.

That leaves Tim Lewis, Herm, and Greg Williams.

I already have a thread dedicated as to why I think Tim Lewis is a poor choice. He's touted as a defensive guru but his defense is over-rated and has been gutted by every AFC west team he's faced this year giving up around 400 yards and over 150 yards on the ground in each one. As KC head coach he'll have 8 games each year against AFC west opponents and what his defense has been able to do so far against that division is terrible.

Herm is coveted entirely because he's a Rah Rah guy. Teams covet him because he talks a good game, has entertaining press conferences, and lets his players play and all that stuff. He's not an X's and O's guy whatsoever and leaves that entirely up to his coordinators. Talk is good but doesn't win football games.

That leaves Greg Williams. I looked at the stats and rewatched some games of his defense vs the AFC west this year and was impressed. The Skins are 0-4 in those football games but it's definitely not on account of his defense. His defense was dominating in most of those games. Only one of those 4 games has the opposition totaled more then 300 yards and averaged more then 3.5 yards per carry on the ground. They gave up less then 250 total yards to Denver and less then 3 yards per rush. Held KC to under 300 yards and less then 4 yards per rush. Ditto for Oakland. The only team that had some success was San Diego and the stats were schewed because the game went into overtime and they gave up one big play. That defense has played great all year and really they don't have many high profile athletes on that defensive football team. "I" accused the scheme of maybe being overly complicated but that's not as bad as the players in KC accusing Guns' scheme of being too complicated. Regardless, the schemes are both aggressive and share some similarities bit the main difference appears to be one obviously doesn't work and one does.

One interesting tidbit of info I heard was that Williams was actually DVs preferred choice at defensive coordinator after the '03 season. Who knows how things would've turned out if he had been running this KC defense the last 2 years instead of Gunther Cunningham.

The only weakness of the Williams' defense is they play with their back to the quarterback (man to man) and don't force many turnovers. One benefit of the cover 2 scheme (indy, chicago) is defenders are always facing the quarterback and thus cause a lot of turnovers. However, the cover 2 scheme requires a front 4 that can get pressure on the quarterback or it will be gutted.

Williams' was unsuccessful as head coach of Buffalo but I recently saw an interview with Mike Nolan that made me think he has been itching for the opportunity and will really be successful his second time around. As soon as Nolan was hired as the 49ers head coach, Williams met with him and talked for him for 2 hours about the things he would do over if he was awarded another head coaching position. The most important thing he said was to get the right people as coordinators. Management tries to force people into naming coordinators as soon as possible but he emphasized the importance of being 100% sure that you have the right guys.

So anyway, of the names that have been thrown around so far I'd have to consider Williams my favorite.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:27 AM   #2
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Yep. Williams is my first choice. Seems to be the only guy that brings anything to the table.

If we hired Williams, who on our offensive staff do you think is best able to handle being OC?
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:49 AM   #3
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Well Terry Shea was Chicago's offensive coordinator last year so he knows what it's about. I'm sure Mike Solari could handle it. There are also quite a few other guys from around the league who have those same San Diego State/Coryell/Sid Gillman bloodlines. I don't think finding someone to keep the O intact will be a problem as long as the new head coach recognizes the strength and continuity of the existing system and doesnt' decide to go away from that.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:58 AM   #4
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:10 PM   #5
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I'm on the Gregg Williams Band Wagon as well.

I think Shea will go where ever Saunders does. but I'm not overly concerned about the offense. if there was a way to keep Shea and promote him to OC, then I'm all for it. He was out TE coach and QB coach. All of that said this is a running team, the most important thing to keep is our Oline Coach.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:16 PM   #6
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Buffalo fans don't speak too well of Williams, even in the midst of all of their current problems.

I hate to think of KC returning to an ultra-conservative offense.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:17 PM   #7
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Buffalo fans don't speak too well of Williams, even in the midst of all of their current problems.

I hate to think of KC returning to an ultra-conservative offense.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:24 PM   #8
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What about Steve Mariucci?

Why wouldn't he make a good coach?
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:25 PM   #9
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I wouldn't dismiss Herm that quickly.

He has taken his team to the playoffs 3 out of 4 (now 5) years.

He came from a great background, has been successful everywhere he went, and learned under some great defensive minds.

His teams produce without the best talent.

He has dealt with the NY media frenzy for half a decade, so he should be able to stand up to Rhonda Moss and company. Hopefully he will b!tchslap Keitzman and Whiltock
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:26 PM   #10
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Buffalo fans really don't like him. They said he makes poor decisions and doesn't manage the clock well.

However, his defense is good.

Since he won't be coming here as defensive coordinator, I guess the question is: can he build a defense in Kansas City by delegating with a coordinator?

Right now I have no clue who I'd like to be our next coach. Maybe Mariucci, Rivera or Williams.

The rest of the crop is more like crap IMO.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:28 PM   #11
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Well Terry Shea was Chicago's offensive coordinator last year so he knows what it's about. I'm sure Mike Solari could handle it. There are also quite a few other guys from around the league who have those same San Diego State/Coryell/Sid Gillman bloodlines. I don't think finding someone to keep the O intact will be a problem as long as the new head coach recognizes the strength and continuity of the existing system and doesnt' decide to go away from that.
In the short-run, I think our O may be fine. It's not that hard to be a care-taker offensive coordinator. SF would promote someone, and the offense would go on. However, if we kept Saunders, he's one of those people I think we could reload, and keep us good indefinitely on offense. These other guys simply will follow Saunders blueprint, and hopefully not screw things up.

As much as I like Saunders, it would probably be futile to go into another season with Gun as DC. If sacking Vermeil/AS is the only way to get rid of Gun.....

ChiefNJ: Williams didn't run an ultra conservative offense. Quite the contrary. He had the run-and-shoot guy, if I remember correctly. He just had no offensive line, and Buffalo still doesn't.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:28 PM   #12
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He has dealt with the NY media frenzy for half a decade
That's hilarious. Have you ever watched one of his PC's? It's so easy to push his buttons, especially when the Jets are losing. He's a nutcase.
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Doesn't Herm have to get fired before he becomes a candidate?
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:28 PM   #14
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Dave Wannstadt for DC? He was great with Dallas and Miami in that roll.
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