How in the Hell can you be excited Vermiel is leaving....

CrazyHorse · 01-01-2006, 06:36 AM

...when you have no idea who the new coach is?

I understand someone wanting a change or being dissatisfied with where we are. I can also understand someone who wants Vermiel to stay. But what I cannot understand is those who are cheering at the idea of Vermiel leaving when they have no idea whether it's good news or not. I guess the spector of a new coach coming in and winning 3 games a year, is better than dealing with what Coach Vermiel has to offer.

Are you people really that short sighted? Or do you have some agenda your trying to justify?

Mile High Mania · 01-01-2006, 06:41 AM

I think a change at HC will be good for you guys... Vermeil has been there long enough to make something positive happen and the fact is, he's failed at what he was supposed to do.

KC has a mix of old vets and solid youth, but will likely be better off having another HC come and and build his own system as they replace the aging veterans and focus on the future.

I'm not saying "rebuilding" b/c I think KC is on the verge of doing something great, but I do think that the team needs new direction.

Unfortunately for you guys, Peterson doesn't appear to be going anywhere... so, it will be really interesting to see what type of person they can bring in as HC.

Happy New Years, fellas.

**mlyonsd** · 01-01-2006, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I think a change at HC will be good for you guys... Vermeil has been there long enough to make something positive happen and the fact is, he's failed at what he was supposed to do.

Yup. If only Hunt would recognize it might be time for Peterson to go as well.

phxchief · 01-01-2006, 06:49 AM

Because most coaches are better, or at least no worse, than Vermeil. Most coaches could give us one playoff season in 5 years with the talent we've had.

And it's not just the lack of success. It's the way it happens. Losing sucks, losing like we do is even worse.

And if Millen is still in Detroit despite ALLLLLL that media/fan hate, there's next to no chance Peterson is going to get canned.

CrazyHorse · 01-01-2006, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by phxchief

Because most coaches are better, or at least no worse, than Vermeil. Most coaches could give us one playoff season in 5 years with the talent we've had.

Most coaches are better? Buddy, you're in for a rude awakening.

I conceed there may be better coaches in this league. But to say "most are better" is bit overstated.

We did go to the playoffs in 03 and should have gone this season. I feel injuries are the single reason we did not make it this season. Vermiel may not have produced a legit contender for the SB, but he has produced a playoff caliber team. He did it in a relatively short time after his hire. I still consider this a good team.

I am not against the idea of looking at our other options. But I am less than excited, because I have no idea what we are getting in return or what that means. And because I think Vermiel is a top tier coach, I dont feel his presence will be easily replaced.

It's not automatic by any stretch.

nascher · 01-01-2006, 07:27 AM

Because most coaches are better, or at least no worse, than Vermeil. Most coaches could give us one playoff season in 5 years with the talent we've had.

sorry but thats not true !!! There are Teams in the NFL who are far worse and changing HC's all the time and getting nowhere.

the Talking Can · 01-01-2006, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

.Or do you have some agenda your trying to justify?

yeah, it's called "Winning a ****ing Super Bowl"

CrazyHorse · 01-01-2006, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yeah, it's called "Winning a ****ing Super Bowl"

As far as I know 31 out of 32 head coaches will fail your criteria this season. I'm betting the one that wins it this year will not be available.

milkman · 01-01-2006, 08:06 AM

I'm excited about Dick Vermeil leaving becaus I never wanted him here to begin with.

I said 5 years ago that he would not duplicate what he accomplished in StL.

He had years of high draft picks that mutured, a cream puff schedule, and a weak division and conference.

He didn't have any of those here in KC, except that cream puff schedule in '03.

I'm excited about Dick Vermeil leaving, because the chance exists that a HC will come in that holds his players accountable for piss poor play, and his coaching staff accountable for piss poor coaching.

Does the possibility exist that Carl will bring in someone worse?

Sure it does.

But the chance that Carl will bring in someone better also exists, now that Dick is leaving, and that is exciting to me.

Of course, it is Carl, so I will admit that chance is minimal at best.

htismaqe · 01-01-2006, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

As far as I know 31 out of 32 head coaches will fail your criteria this season. I'm betting the one that wins it this year will not be available.

There's the lamest of lame arguments.

Coaching in the NFL isn't about ONE season.

Vermeil had FIVE and he couldn't even win a playoff game, let alone sniff the Super Bowl.

31 out of 32 teams in a SINGLE year don't win a Super Bowl.

Since DV became coach, FIFTEEN teams have won a playoff game. That's HALF the league.

CrazyHorse · 01-01-2006, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

There's the lamest of lame arguments.

Coaching in the NFL isn't about ONE season.

Vermeil had FIVE and he couldn't even win a playoff game, let alone sniff the Super Bowl.

31 out of 32 teams in a SINGLE year don't win a Super Bowl.

Since DV became coach, FIFTEEN teams have won a playoff game. That's HALF the league.

But there have only been what....3 or 4 coaches win the Superbowl since he won his last one, right? Is that arguement better?

Besides the quote was a direct answer to a reference about the Superbowl, not the playoffs.

Fruit Ninja · 01-01-2006, 08:22 AM

I am not really excited about it. I wanted him back for 1 more year. IF this is indeed true, then Goof Luck on the rest of your life Vermeil.

hmm... GO DETROIT!

the Talking Can · 01-01-2006, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

As far as I know 31 out of 32 head coaches will fail your criteria this season. I'm betting the one that wins it this year will not be available.

what does that have to do with anything?

**J Diddy** · 01-01-2006, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcxiv

I am not really excited about it. I wanted him back for 1 more year. IF this is indeed true, then Goof Luck on the rest of your life Vermeil.

hmm... GO DETROIT!

Goof Luck?

is that a jinx or something?

**J Diddy** · 01-01-2006, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

what does that have to do with anything?

It is the criteria that was listed.

01-01-2006, 06:36 AM
CrazyHorse All Motor! Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $20054	How in the Hell can you be excited Vermiel is leaving.... ...when you have no idea who the new coach is? I understand someone wanting a change or being dissatisfied with where we are. I can also understand someone who wants Vermiel to stay. But what I cannot understand is those who are cheering at the idea of Vermiel leaving when they have no idea whether it's good news or not. I guess the spector of a new coach coming in and winning 3 games a year, is better than dealing with what Coach Vermiel has to offer. Are you people really that short sighted? Or do you have some agenda your trying to justify?
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01-01-2006, 06:41 AM	#2
Mile High Mania Barrel Man - RIP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $67768	I think a change at HC will be good for you guys... Vermeil has been there long enough to make something positive happen and the fact is, he's failed at what he was supposed to do. KC has a mix of old vets and solid youth, but will likely be better off having another HC come and and build his own system as they replace the aging veterans and focus on the future. I'm not saying "rebuilding" b/c I think KC is on the verge of doing something great, but I do think that the team needs new direction. Unfortunately for you guys, Peterson doesn't appear to be going anywhere... so, it will be really interesting to see what type of person they can bring in as HC. Happy New Years, fellas. __________________
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01-01-2006, 06:49 AM	#4
phxchief Disasterpiece Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Shawn Marion owns you Casino cash: $1000	Because most coaches are better, or at least no worse, than Vermeil. Most coaches could give us one playoff season in 5 years with the talent we've had. And it's not just the lack of success. It's the way it happens. Losing sucks, losing like we do is even worse. And if Millen is still in Detroit despite ALLLLLL that media/fan hate, there's next to no chance Peterson is going to get canned.
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01-01-2006, 07:27 AM	#6
nascher Starter Join Date: Sep 2004 Casino cash: $4275	Because most coaches are better, or at least no worse, than Vermeil. Most coaches could give us one playoff season in 5 years with the talent we've had. sorry but thats not true !!! There are Teams in the NFL who are far worse and changing HC's all the time and getting nowhere. __________________
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01-01-2006, 08:06 AM	#9
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $1238441	I'm excited about Dick Vermeil leaving becaus I never wanted him here to begin with. I said 5 years ago that he would not duplicate what he accomplished in StL. He had years of high draft picks that mutured, a cream puff schedule, and a weak division and conference. He didn't have any of those here in KC, except that cream puff schedule in '03. I'm excited about Dick Vermeil leaving, because the chance exists that a HC will come in that holds his players accountable for piss poor play, and his coaching staff accountable for piss poor coaching. Does the possibility exist that Carl will bring in someone worse? Sure it does. But the chance that Carl will bring in someone better also exists, now that Dick is leaving, and that is exciting to me. Of course, it is Carl, so I will admit that chance is minimal at best. __________________
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01-01-2006, 08:22 AM	#12
Fruit Ninja KCXIV Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $598015	I am not really excited about it. I wanted him back for 1 more year. IF this is indeed true, then Goof Luck on the rest of your life Vermeil. hmm... GO DETROIT!
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