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Old 01-20-2006, 08:22 AM  
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Will Herm install a 3-4?

It would seem we have the LBs to do it. (Paging Mr. Fujita, oh wait)
Or maybe we could go '85Bearstyle with the 5-2.
Mel Kiper Jr. (idiot) says we're gonna take a CB as a 1st rounder. I think we should go DL(NT).
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:24 AM   #2
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It would make sense to run a 3-4. Wonder why they already aren't?
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:25 AM   #3
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Herm grew up coaching "Tampa 2" (i.e. cover 2) and played a 4-3 exclusively with the Jets, also mostly cover 2.

With Gun as your DC (also a 4-3 guy) I see no reason why anyone would be trying to switch to a 3-4. I also don't think you have the right personnel for it, really.
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:28 AM   #4
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Herm grew up coaching "Tampa 2" (i.e. cover 2) and played a 4-3 exclusively with the Jets, also mostly cover 2.
Maybe that's why Kiper has us taking a CB in the 1rst.

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With Gun as your DC (also a 4-3 guy) I see no reason why anyone would be trying to switch to a 3-4. I also don't think you have the right personnel for it, really.
To me, it just seems that LBs are the most solid part of the D. But that ain't sayin' much.
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:35 AM   #5
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I think a "Tampa Cover 2" would be more likely. Though we have the LBs for the 4-3, we are a serious DT and probably a DE away from being able to field the front 7 you need for a 3-4.
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:36 AM   #6
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Apparently it's necessary to have a big NT in the 3-4, which we don't seem to have?

I've always thought we had the LBers to do 3-4, but the above fact is always thrown back at me.
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:37 AM   #7
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To successfully run a 3-4, I think there needs to be a dominant nose tackle and at least four or five dominant LBs. Right now, we don't have either of those, but I think with a few additions, the defense will be pretty decent next year.

I really think Gunther is a decent DC, and the addition of a defensive minded head coach will turn the defense around next year. I'm not saying that it will be a top 5, but it will definately be better than in years past.
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:37 AM   #8
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Maybe that's why Kiper has us taking a CB in the 1rst.
I think he has you taking a CB cuz you've got one CB who is quite good, and no others.

IMHO, Tampa 2 wants a really good defensive line (what defense doesn't), a great Middle Linebacker (ditto) and at least one strong, smart, reasonably fast safety (like a younger Lynch).

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Maybe, but you need a true nose guard that can hold the point against double teams. They're tough to find, and without one the 3-4 just won't work at all. You also need bigger LBs than in the 4-3. A 4-3 ideally has 2 DTs at 300+, 2 DEs who will usually run 280-295, and 3 LBs who usually are in the 235'ish range.

The 3-4 is looking for a 320+ NG (there are exceptions), 2 DEs who are 300+, and 4 linebackers who are 245+.

The linebackers don't need to have the speed in the 3-4 that they do in the 4-3, but they need to be bigger, cuz they're oftent aking on guards head to head.
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:39 AM   #9
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Not only do we not have the D-line for a 3-4, we also don't have great OLBs for it. Plus Allen wouldn't fit anywhere in a 3-4. we'd have to make him a OLB.
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:39 AM   #10
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Maybe that's why Kiper has us taking a CB in the 1rst.



To me, it just seems that LBs are the most solid part of the D. But that ain't sayin' much.
A FA acquisition at CB is more likely IMO. We are okay at CB, but need some depth unless Hodge and Sapp can step up big. If we go 3-4, we need a certifiable stud at NT, and we'd need to add at least one Jason Taylor type DE. Getting BOTH of those players in the draft would be a real trick, and highly unlikely. I also think it would be really tough for us to sign more than two impact FAs--and one of those should a WR.
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Not only do we not have the D-line for a 3-4, we also don't have great OLBs for it. Plus Allen wouldn't fit anywhere in a 3-4. we'd have to make him a OLB.
Allen at OLB would be worth a look IMO.
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:40 AM   #12
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I really think Gunther is a decent DC, and the addition of a defensive minded head coach will turn the defense around next year. I'm not saying that it will be a top 5, but it will definately be better than in years past.
Like JoPo says, it's the return of "boring" football.
Bring on the D!!
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:41 AM   #13
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We lack the ends and the NT to run a 3-4. Allen is a bit of an undersized DE, in a 3-4 he'd get eaten alive. Hicks might be alright in a 3-4, but he sucks, and should really only be a backup, anyway. If Siavii actually wanted to play football instead of be completely insane and worthless, then perhaps he could be a size-eating NT, but I think we all know that we have a better job of getting blown by Kate Beckinsale than we do of that happening.
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Apparently it's necessary to have a big NT in the 3-4, which we don't seem to have?

I've always thought we had the LBers to do 3-4, but the above fact is always thrown back at me.
There aer exceptions to the big NG rule. I think the Steelers NG, (Casey Hampton) is like 310 or something, which is fairly small for a NG.

Put it this way -- in the 3-4, you have a NG who needs to hold the point against double-teams, and inside linebackers who can deal with guards trying to block them.

Patriots, just for example, currently:

NG Wilfork: 325+
DE Seymour: 310
DE Warren: 305
OLB: Colvin: 235
ILB: Vrabel: 260
ILB: Bruschi: 245
OLB: McGinest: 270

You could check the starting front 7 for the Chargers and Steelers to see what package those guys use, but that's what you're looking at for one team at least.
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:42 AM   #15
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Like JoPo says, it's the return of "boring" football.
Bring on the D!!
Yes and no...I hope it's the return of smashmouth defense as in the mid-90's. But I'm hoping that Solari will keep the uptempo offense, rather than the old Marty ball or the return of RBbC.
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