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Old 01-23-2006, 09:43 AM  
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They will have daily updates from Mobile on the Senior Bowl practices including weigh in info later today. Find out if Kiwi, Hali and Elvis are big enough to play DE in the NFL.
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Old 01-23-2006, 10:00 AM   #2
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Hali is the guy I'm most intrigued by.

I think Elvis is gonna end up being a 3-4 OLB ala Merriman...
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Old 01-23-2006, 12:23 PM   #3
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there are quite few smallish DE's in the NFL now.

OT's are getting so big that defenses use small guys to out quick them.
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Old 01-23-2006, 12:40 PM   #4
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there are quite few smallish DE's in the NFL now.

OT's are getting so big that defenses use small guys to out quick them.
Yep. There's alot of room for a 255-265 lb. DE to be successful. But leverage is absolutely important. One of the reasons Freeney does so well is because he's SHORT, allowing him to get underneath a tackle and use his lower body strength.

The concern I have about Kiwi after watching him more this season is whether or not he's gonna have that leverage. He's about 260, just like Tamba Hali, but he's FIVE inches taller.

Dumervil is only about 245, which really puts him at the bottom end of that range.
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Old 01-23-2006, 12:54 PM   #5
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Yep. There's alot of room for a 255-265 lb. DE to be successful. But leverage is absolutely important. One of the reasons Freeney does so well is because he's SHORT, allowing him to get underneath a tackle and use his lower body strength.

The concern I have about Kiwi after watching him more this season is whether or not he's gonna have that leverage. He's about 260, just like Tamba Hali, but he's FIVE inches taller.

Dumervil is only about 245, which really puts him at the bottom end of that range.
Good post. I'm higher on Hali after reading that.
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"that dynamic Louisville DE Elvis Dumervil, the nation’s #1 sacker last fall, was under 6 feet at 5-11; Dumervil, though, did weigh in at 258."

Lots of players coming in shorter and lighter than expected.
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"that dynamic Louisville DE Elvis Dumervil, the nation’s #1 sacker last fall, was under 6 feet at 5-11; Dumervil, though, did weigh in at 258."

Lots of players coming in shorter and lighter than expected.
That should help Elvis' stock.
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"that dynamic Louisville DE Elvis Dumervil, the nation’s #1 sacker last fall, was under 6 feet at 5-11; Dumervil, though, did weigh in at 258."

Lots of players coming in shorter and lighter than expected.
258 is ALOT heavier than I expected him. He was listed at 255 during the season and usually the rule of thumb is that schools list them heavier than what they really are...

5'11" and 258 lbs. might make it at DE...
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The mock draft at gbnreport has us taking Charles Gordon in the first... that's the very first mock that I've seen him close to the 1st round.
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258 is ALOT heavier than I expected him. He was listed at 255 during the season and usually the rule of thumb is that schools list them heavier than what they really are...

5'11" and 258 lbs. might make it at DE...
I thought the same thing. Usually for DE's you can subtract an inch and drop 5lbs from the school listing He went the opposite way.

I don't know if 5-11 will cut it as a DE. Teams like tall guys, regardless of the leverage issue, because they usually will have longer arms and keep off the linemen easier. It'll be interesting to see how the other guys weigh, etc.
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Hali is the guy I'm most intrigued by.

I think Elvis is gonna end up being a 3-4 OLB ala Merriman...
I agree, Hali is definately someone I hope we look at. I liked what I saw from him this year and he seems to be able to handle the run fairly well, at least at the college level. Kiwi seems much more of a boom or bust prospect.
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The mock draft at gbnreport has us taking Charles Gordon in the first... that's the very first mock that I've seen him close to the 1st round.
I wouldn't put too much stock in their mock's. They're not very good at them overall.

That being said, GBN is EXCELLENT for the sheer volume of info they provide...
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I thought the same thing. Usually for DE's you can subtract an inch and drop 5lbs from the school listing He went the opposite way.

I don't know if 5-11 will cut it as a DE. Teams like tall guys, regardless of the leverage issue, because they usually will have longer arms and keep off the linemen easier. It'll be interesting to see how the other guys weigh, etc.
I think 5' 11" and 260 will cut it at DE, but I guess we'll see. I would prefer a bigger guy.

Tamba Hali is the guy I really want, I think he's more versatile.

Of course, I was big on Haynes when he came out of Penn State and he's struggled to establish himself as an every-down player.
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The mock draft at gbnreport has us taking Charles Gordon in the first... that's the very first mock that I've seen him close to the 1st round.
Gordon isn't a first rounder IMO anymore. First day pick sure.
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Hell robert mathis is lighter then most outside linebackers and still played DE and nearly led the league in sacks. It's becoming a league of specialists and at that there's a place for these small guys who can get after the quarterback. Why not when you can get those guys for 600 K per year and get just as effective of a pass rush on 3rd down as the 5 million dollar per year every down stud DE like Peppers.

This league is becoming more and more specialized.....all these packages and crap. I see it getting that way more and more as teams try to stretch money as far as possible. I don't think it will be all that much longer before you even have separate 1st and 3rd down packages for offensive lineman. Run blocking lineman on early downs pass blocking lineman on later downs.
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