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Old 02-08-2006, 11:06 PM  
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911 was an inside job.

After watching this, I am once and for all convinced that it was an inside job...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...81991288263801


The evidence is way too strong.
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:16 PM   #2221
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Why because I'm making you actually think?

I'll put it in simple terms... take an aluminum baseball bat, hit a steel beam, and see which one, fails first.


I'm not arguing there weren't stresses, only a fool would argue otherwise. I'm saying that the official story doesn't add up.
sorry BCF, the only thing I am thinking after reading your posts is that you are nuts.
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:20 PM   #2222
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Why because I'm making you actually think?

I'll put it in simple terms... take an aluminum baseball bat, hit a steel beam, and see which one, fails first.


I'm not arguing there weren't stresses, only a fool would argue otherwise. I'm saying that the official story doesn't add up.
What does your illustration prove (bat vs beam), other than you don't have any idea what you're talking about?
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:22 PM   #2223
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:31 PM   #2224
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Which is it? Fire or Intertia? Can't have it both ways.

If it's intertia, physics would say that it would continue in the same direction causing it to lean due to stress. It didn't lean, it impoded in upon itself. HOURS later. That takes intertia out of the equation in my book.
The inertia referred to in the quote is the inertia of the building falling under it's own weight after the structural connections failed due to the fire. It has nothing to do with the inertia of the plane impact. If you cannot understand that a falling building has inertia, you are flatly unqualified to be thinking about this subject.
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:40 PM   #2225
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Why because I'm making you actually think?

I'll put it in simple terms... take an aluminum baseball bat, hit a steel beam, and see which one, fails first.


I'm not arguing there weren't stresses, only a fool would argue otherwise. I'm saying that the official story doesn't add up.
Where is the jet fuel?

The right analogy is to take 4 thin candles all the same height and balance a heavy weight on top of them. Not so heavy as to cause the candles to break, but heavy enough that if you increased the weight by a factor of 4 or so, all the candles would fail. Now start heating the candles with a bunch of high intensity blow driers. The heat is not enough to melt the wax, but it wouldn't be surprising if the candles started to bed under the heat of the blow dryers and the relatively heavy load that the was placed on the candles.
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Old 02-09-2010, 04:32 PM   #2226
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Actually, from what I'm reading -- absent fires it's not much different from a needle flying into a net. Not really all that structurally significant.

The buildings fell down nearly two hours later becuase of the fires weakening the steel, not the initial impact.
What you've been posting is much the same as I've read over the time since 9/11.

I'm amazed of all of the people that feel the need to have a conspiracy when anything happens like this.
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Old 02-09-2010, 04:39 PM   #2227
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That's one of the best explanations, I've seen to support the collapse by fire, but I'm still skeptical. The building fell in on itself, like an implosion. The law of physics says that can't take place without strategically placed charges. Again, the plane only breeched, less than 10% of the building.
Consider the amount of dead weight standing above the impact zone. Also consider the temperatures the steel supports were subjected to. Steel does not have to melt to fail structurally. The first floor that collapsed was all it took to start a domino effect, or zipper, however you might want to describe the fall. As the buildings collapsed, or pancaked, from floor to floor the amount of weight hitting the subsequent floors kept getting heavier.

There were no charges placed in the building, no explosions. Fire and gravity brought down the towers.
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:01 PM   #2228
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WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibits all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives: (and some non-standard characteristics)
1.

Rapid onset of “collapse”
2.

Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a full second prior to collapse
3.

Symmetrical “collapse” – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration
4.

Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed mostly in its own footprint
5.

Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
6.

Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly-qualified witnesses
7.

Chemical signature of Thermite (high tech incendiary) found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples by physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
8.

FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
9.

Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
10.

Fore-knowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY

And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1.

Slow onset with large visible deformations
2.

Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3.

Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4.

High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”.
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:07 PM   #2229
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As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives: (and some non-standard characteristics)

1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal.../symmetry.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXSHm3CdHf4

2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution

3. Extremely rapid onset of destruction

4. Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
http://www.journalof911studies.com/a...radeCenter.pdf

5. Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally 600 ft at 60 mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djwBCEmHrSE

6. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal.../concrete.html

7. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...pses/dust.html

8. 1200-foot-dia. debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
http://www.ae911truth.org/images/fem...stribution.jpg

9. Isolated explosive ejections 20 – 40 stories below demolition front
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtx_GcFCs6c

10. Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...ses/steel.html

11. Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
http://nasathermalimages.com/

12. Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...rgy/index.html

13. Evidence of explosives found in dust samples
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/co...001/7TOCPJ.SGM

14. No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire


And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.


1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/...tc/how-hot.htm

4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...are/fires.html
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:11 PM   #2230
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You know how this all started, some conspiracy theory buff with no education was sitting on his couch on the evening of Sept 11 2001, googled the temperature at which steel melts, and then declared it a conspiracy.

If you took an African bushman out of his hut and to an airport, he might conclude that airplanes are actually giant birds, because everyone knows that nothing can fly, apart from birds.

His frame of reference is just as valid as that of the truthers on these topics.
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:14 PM   #2231
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You know how this all started, some conspiracy theory buff with no education was sitting on his couch on the evening of Sept 11 2001, googled the temperature at which steel melts, and then declared it a conspiracy.

If you took an African bushman out of his hut and to an airport, he might conclude that airplanes are actually giant birds, because everyone knows that nothing can fly, apart from birds.

His frame of reference is just as valid as that of the truthers on these topics.
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The petition is open to everyone.


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Out of 1.6 million engineers. Less than 1 in 1000.
So what's your point? I would imagine most aren't interested in even looking into it much like the Chaff located at Chiefs Planet.
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