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Old 02-11-2006, 01:33 AM  
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Former line coach Solari also has a passing fancy
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

In his first public words since being hired as offensive coordinator, Mike Solari sought to dispel any notion he would veer the Chiefs from a course set by predecessor Al Saunders.

“We’ll make a few changes, but when I say a few changes I truly believe you won’t notice it,” Solari said Friday. “There’s not going to be a lot of changes. This is the Kansas City Chiefs offense, and we’re going to do what we do.

“We want to move forward and improve.”

That should come as relief to the legions of Chiefs fans concerned that Solari, a career offensive-line coach, would return the Chiefs to their Neanderthal offense from the pre-Saunders days.

Maybe a few players, too. Some assumed the combination of the hiring of the defensive-minded Herm Edwards as head coach and the promotion of Solari meant otherwise.

“Our offense will be more run-oriented,” tackle Willie Roaf said recently. “The good thing about Saunders is that he opened up the game a lot more with his passing packages.”

It’s all part of what Solari is battling, the perception that offensive-line coaches don’t make for good offensive coordinators. He’s heard it before when he’s been considered for coordinator openings elsewhere: offensive-line coaches neither understand nor appreciate the passing game.

He’s determined to prove that at least one does.

“I’ve been told that offensive-line coaches don’t know the passing game,” Solari said. “It’s not an issue. I’ve been in this league (17) years.

“I believe offensive-line coaches know the protections. I believe the offensive-line coaches know the run game. I believe offensive-line coaches that have a history in the league know the passing game. Do they know it as well as a quarterback coach or a receiver coach? No, that’s not their expertise. But why can’t he prepare and know it as well within four of five months?”

In fact, Solari said he believes his background — 17 seasons as an NFL line coach, the last nine with the Chiefs — will help rather than hinder.

“The game is won up front,” he said. “You’ve got to run the ball to win games. You’ve got to be able to pass the ball to win a championship but to win a game, you’ve got to be able to run the ball in the fourth quarter.”

Edwards needed no convincing. He once tried hiring Solari as his offensive coordinator when Edwards was head coach of the Jets.

“The first thing you’d better know about offense is how to get ’em blocked,” Edwards said. “I think we lose sight of that. Mike knows how to do that very, very well.”

“Will Mike have some growing pains? Yeah. You know what I tell him? ‘Whenever you get yourself in a jam … just turn around and give it to the runner, and you’ll be OK.’ That’s how we’ll handle the rough times.”

Solari resisted not only that earlier offer by Edwards but others. It wasn’t because Solari didn’t feel he had coordinator qualifications.

“There were a couple of times I didn’t feel I had the right to go,” Solari said. “I promised (former head coach Dick Vermeil) as the offensive-line coach that I would help bring a championship to the Kansas City Chiefs. I failed also. I didn’t get the job done.”

Solari’s ability as an offensive-line coach has never come under question. The Chiefs are generally acknowledged to have the NFL’s best line. They had three linemen — Roaf and guards Brian Waters and Will Shields — selected to play in the Pro Bowl for the second straight season.

“I’d say he’s the best I’ve ever worked with,” Roaf said. “He doesn’t do a lot of technique work with the younger guys, so from a technical standpoint, I’ve worked with some line coaches who help more with the fundamentals.

“But as far as us knowing our assignments — we’ve probably one of the best lines in not making mental errors — he does a great job with that.”
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Old 02-11-2006, 01:36 AM   #2
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I am hoping there isn't much drop in any of our offensive playcalling. Besides the stupid plays at the wrong time.
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Old 02-11-2006, 01:56 AM   #3
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I was going to blow a gasket if KC didn't retain Solari, I have the utmost confidence that he'll do a good or even a great job as OC.
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Old 02-11-2006, 05:34 AM   #4
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“I’d say he’s the best I’ve ever worked with,” Roaf said. “He doesn’t do a lot of technique work with the younger guys, so from a technical standpoint, I’ve worked with some line coaches who help more with the fundamentals.
“But as far as us knowing our assignments — we’ve probably one of the best lines in not making mental errors — he does a great job with that.”
I found this quote that I highlighted in red very interesting. Maybe this is why our young OL seem to never get better. With the exception of Brian Waters development, we really haven't developed any up and coming OL to replace our aging vets.
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Old 02-11-2006, 06:40 AM   #5
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Besides the stupid plays at the wrong time.
I've always taken some exception to this line of thought. The 'stupid plays at the wrong time', were a key part of Saunders success. NFL coaches get predictable, but because Saunders would try things the opponent didn't expect (like running on 3rd and long), he'd keep them on their back foot and they'd be unable to pigeonhole his play calling. Sometimes the results were great and soemtimes they weren't, but even more importantly the next time we were in that situation they couldn't guess what we were going to try.
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Old 02-11-2006, 07:03 AM   #6
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I agree that Saunders got too “cute” on occasion, going for the razzle-dazzle instead of just lining up and hitting the other team behind the best OL in the NFL. It cost us at least one game and changed momentum in some others.

On the other hand, that same attribute won the Packers game, when Kennison scored on play action in overtime.

You gotta take the good with the bad.

I am not sure I like the fact that Solari feels the need to assure the fans that he will not forget the passing game. Just as I do not want a return to Martyball, neither do I want an OC who feels like he must pass in order to limit complaints from the fans. If the situation calls for it, I have no objection to feeding The Enemy a continuous diet of Johnson.

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Old 02-11-2006, 07:36 AM   #7
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I found this quote that I highlighted in red very interesting. Maybe this is why our young OL seem to never get better. With the exception of Brian Waters development, we really haven't developed any up and coming OL to replace our aging vets.

If your not counting Ryan Lilja. An OG that Carl was trying to "hide" on the practice squad, before the Colts grabed him
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Old 02-11-2006, 08:23 AM   #8
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I agree that Saunders got too “cute” on occasion, going for the razzle-dazzle instead of just lining up and hitting the other team behind the best OL in the NFL. It cost us at least one game and changed momentum in some others.

On the other hand, that same attribute won the Packers game, when Kennison scored on play action in overtime.

You gotta take the good with the bad.

I am not sure I like the fact that Solari feels the need to assure the fans that he will not forget the passing game. Just as I do not want a return to Martyball, neither do I want an OC who feels like he must pass in order to limit complaints from the fans. If the situation calls for it, I have no objection to feeding The Enemy a continuous diet of Johnson.

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I have no problem with a play action pass anytime in the game, it was Saunders ability to kill a drive with a fake draw triple reverse. when we just crossed the 50 yard line
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Old 02-11-2006, 09:46 AM   #9
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I've always taken some exception to this line of thought. The 'stupid plays at the wrong time', were a key part of Saunders success. NFL coaches get predictable, but because Saunders would try things the opponent didn't expect (like running on 3rd and long), he'd keep them on their back foot and they'd be unable to pigeonhole his play calling. Sometimes the results were great and soemtimes they weren't, but even more importantly the next time we were in that situation they couldn't guess what we were going to try.

Passing on 2nd and goal in Seattle a few seasons ago where Trent threw an INT was pretty stupid IMO. I would hope coaches dont do that on purpose.
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Passing on 2nd and goal in Seattle a few seasons ago where Trent threw an INT was pretty stupid IMO. I would hope coaches dont do that on purpose.
So we should never pass when we get inside the five yard line? I'm glad YOU aren't calling the plays.
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I found this quote that I highlighted in red very interesting. Maybe this is why our young OL seem to never get better. With the exception of Brian Waters development, we really haven't developed any up and coming OL to replace our aging vets.
Interesting. I came away with the same observation.

Leads me to wonder if more coaching of techniques could make a Jordan Black or Sampson or Svitek or Parquet, players who would grow into starter material.
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So we should never pass when we get inside the five yard line? I'm glad YOU aren't calling the plays.
With Holmes in the backfield and our O-line? No.

At least don't throw a fade to the front of the endzone.
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i imagine Solari will try to pass like under saunders..


the question is when stuff goes wrong will he be able to make adjustments so they can keep passing like in the past.


this statement "when in trouble just hand it to the running back" is a great example of potiential problems.


that habit leads to being predictable and to martyball



see how fast our huge running numbers dry up when the other team knows what's coming. People will try and blame the Offensive line or the RB ... but predictability can pretty much kill any offense.



hopefully Solari can do it

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I've always taken some exception to this line of thought. The 'stupid plays at the wrong time', were a key part of Saunders success. NFL coaches get predictable, but because Saunders would try things the opponent didn't expect (like running on 3rd and long), he'd keep them on their back foot and they'd be unable to pigeonhole his play calling. Sometimes the results were great and soemtimes they weren't, but even more importantly the next time we were in that situation they couldn't guess what we were going to try.

The problem being that the "stupid plays at the wrong time" became predictable. We knew what crazy **** Al was going to pull in a given situation, you know the opposing team did too. Going with the right play at the right time would have been more unpredictable this past season.
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Old 02-11-2006, 11:23 AM   #15
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A "cute" play is a play out of the norm which the players do not execute and it fails.

A "great" play call is the same play which the players execute well and it is successful.


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