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Old 03-09-2006, 08:24 AM  
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Male activists want say in unplanned pregnancy

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Male activists want say in unplanned pregnancy

Lawsuit seeks right to decline financial responsibility for kids


NEW YORK (AP) -- Contending that women have more options than they do in the event of an unintended pregnancy, men's rights activists are mounting a long shot legal campaign aimed at giving them the chance to opt out of financial responsibility for raising a child.

The National Center for Men has prepared a lawsuit -- nicknamed Roe v. Wade for Men -- to be filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Michigan on behalf of a 25-year-old computer programmer ordered to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend's daughter.

The suit addresses the issue of male reproductive rights, contending that lack of such rights violates the U.S. Constitution's equal protection clause.

The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The activists involved hope to spark discussion even if they lose.

"There's such a spectrum of choice that women have -- it's her body, her pregnancy and she has the ultimate right to make decisions," said Mel Feit, director of the men's center. "I'm trying to find a way for a man also to have some say over decisions that affect his life profoundly."

Feit's organization has been trying since the early 1990s to pursue such a lawsuit, and finally found a suitable plaintiff in Matt Dubay of Saginaw, Michigan.

Dubay says he has been ordered to pay $500 a month in child support for a girl born last year to his ex-girlfriend. He contends that the woman knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that -- because of a physical condition -- she could not get pregnant.

Dubay is braced for the lawsuit to fail.

"What I expect to hear [from the court] is that the way things are is not really fair, but that's the way it is," he said in a telephone interview. "Just to create awareness would be enough, to at least get a debate started."

State courts have ruled in the past that any inequity experienced by men like Dubay is outweighed by society's interest in ensuring that children get financial support from two parents. Melanie Jacobs, a Michigan State University law professor, said the federal court might rule similarly in Dubay's case.

"The courts are trying to say it may not be so fair that this gentleman has to support a child he didn't want, but it's less fair to say society has to pay the support," she said.

Feit, however, says a fatherhood opt-out wouldn't necessarily impose higher costs on society or the mother. A woman who balked at abortion but felt she couldn't afford to raise a child could put the baby up for adoption, he said.
'This is so politically incorrect'

Jennifer Brown of the women's rights advocacy group Legal Momentum objected to the men's center comparing Dubay's lawsuit to Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling establishing a woman's right to have an abortion.

"Roe is based on an extreme intrusion by the government -- literally to force a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want," Brown said. "There's nothing equivalent for men. They have the same ability as women to use contraception, to get sterilized."

Feit counters that the suit's reference to abortion rights is apt.

"Roe says a woman can choose to have intimacy and still have control over subsequent consequences," he said. "No one has ever asked a federal court if that means men should have some similar say."

"The problem is this is so politically incorrect," Feit added. "The public is still dealing with the pre-Roe ethic when it comes to men, that if a man fathers a child, he should accept responsibility."

Feit doesn't advocate an unlimited fatherhood opt-out; he proposes a brief period in which a man, after learning of an unintended pregnancy, could decline parental responsibilities if the relationship was one in which neither partner had desired a child.

"If the woman changes her mind and wants the child, she should be responsible," Feit said. "If she can't take care of the child, adoption is a good alternative."

The president of the National Organization for Women, Kim Gandy, acknowledged that disputes over unintended pregnancies can be complex and bitter.

"None of these are easy questions," said Gandy, a former prosecutor. "But most courts say it's not about what he did or didn't do or what she did or didn't do. It's about the rights of the child."


Matt Dubay contends his ex-girlfriend assured him she was unable to get pregnant.
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Old 03-09-2006, 08:31 AM   #2
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Male activists want say in unplanned pregnancy
Errr, they already do.
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Old 03-09-2006, 08:34 AM   #3
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This is the dumbest thing ever...

"Dubay says he has been ordered to pay $500 a month in child support for a girl born last year to his ex-girlfriend. He contends that the woman knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that -- because of a physical condition -- she could not get pregnant."

Give it up jackass, your decision was made when you failed to use protection... it's not your daughter's fault that you're a dumbass.
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Old 03-09-2006, 08:56 AM   #4
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:01 AM   #5
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One day, I hope this kid reads this article... finds this dude and kicks his ass.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:05 AM   #6
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This is funny, my bro in law is in the same predicament. He is a network admin and he got a girl pregnant like two years ago after she told him that she couldn't get knocked up. Now his dumb arse is paying 5 bills a month for support and he is pissed. I laugh everytime he starts saying how unfair it is. All he had to do was wrap up but noooooo he took some broads word about being able to get pregnant. That is what he deserves.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:06 AM   #7
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He could have at least pulled out.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:22 AM   #8
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I'm not seeing why the father doesn't have rights to his half of the DNA. If he wants back his half of the kid, why shouldnt' that happen? Women can abort a child a man wants, why not the other way?

Here's my proposal: The two parents should work it out as soon as the pregnancy is discovered. If they both want an abortion (despite my strong beliefs against it) then so be it. If they both want to have it, so be it. If one wants it and the other doesn't, the other ought to be able to forgo any legal rights to the child and be able to walk away freely. In my system it is kidnapping for a pregnant women to not tell the father.

S**t like that might make people think twice before f**king and maybe, just maybe, we'd have fewer dumbasses reproducing.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:29 AM   #9
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You say you're a guy and don't want an unplanned pregnancy with your current bang(s)? I give you three options....

1) Abstain. Yeah, right...

2) Put the suit on your spelunker. Or...

3) Aim for the chin.

It's not rocket science if you don't want a kid. I have a friend who is banging some bartender chick, who keeps assuring him that her tubes are tied and she can't get knocked up. To his credit, he refuses to sleep with her without a condom. She doesn't much care for it, but he couldn't care less.

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Old 03-09-2006, 09:37 AM   #10
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I'm not seeing why the father doesn't have rights to his half of the DNA. If he wants back his half of the kid, why shouldnt' that happen? Women can abort a child a man wants, why not the other way?

Here's my proposal: The two parents should work it out as soon as the pregnancy is discovered. If they both want an abortion (despite my strong beliefs against it) then so be it. If they both want to have it, so be it. If one wants it and the other doesn't, the other ought to be able to forgo any legal rights to the child and be able to walk away freely. In my system it is kidnapping for a pregnant women to not tell the father.

S**t like that might make people think twice before f**king and maybe, just maybe, we'd have fewer dumbasses reproducing.
I agree.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:54 AM   #11
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I'm not seeing why the father doesn't have rights to his half of the DNA. If he wants back his half of the kid, why shouldnt' that happen? Women can abort a child a man wants, why not the other way?

Here's my proposal: The two parents should work it out as soon as the pregnancy is discovered. If they both want an abortion (despite my strong beliefs against it) then so be it. If they both want to have it, so be it. If one wants it and the other doesn't, the other ought to be able to forgo any legal rights to the child and be able to walk away freely. In my system it is kidnapping for a pregnant women to not tell the father.

S**t like that might make people think twice before f**king and maybe, just maybe, we'd have fewer dumbasses reproducing.
Sounds good
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:57 AM   #12
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bahahahahahaahahahahahahah

ok we'll take that proposal as soon as you men band together and get all the dead beat dads to own up to their responsibilities.
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Old 03-09-2006, 10:12 AM   #13
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This provides an interesting side to the abortion argument. I think a guy should always own up to his responsibilities when a child is involved (it's called being a man). On the other hand, the girl has an "out" if she wants it and the guy seemingly doesn't. Interesting.
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Old 03-09-2006, 10:13 AM   #14
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The guy doesn't have to be pregnant.

The guy's "out" is contraceptives or abstinance.

And be happy for it.
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Old 03-09-2006, 10:15 AM   #15
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When a woman gets pregnant [either unplanned or otherwise] they have the right to abort, give away, or have the child.

When the man does not want the baby,and the woman does, he has no choice but to go along with what the woman wants. If he does want the baby, and the woman does not, he still has to go along with what the woman wants.

In any pregnancy, from unprotected sex or just an unplanned pregnancy, there are two parties involved in conception. Two guilty parties. Women [I am talking in broad, general terms]always act like the man is the bastard for making them pregnant, and usually want to disavow any responsibility in reaching that state themselves.

I just think that men should have an equal say or right, since they were %50 of the cause.

Deadbeat dads suck, but men being powerless also sucks.
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