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Old 03-22-2006, 11:47 AM  
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Draft Trading

Considering the success the Denver Broncos had with it, maybe the Chiefs should explore something like that with New York Jets. Do something like this:

NEW YORK JETS GET:
20th Overall Pick in 1st Round
4th Round Pick in 2006
3rd Round Pick in 2007

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GET:
4th Overall Pick in 1st Round

That way we have the chance to grab Mario Williams who is supposed to be a "can't miss" ready to contribute DE.
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Old 03-22-2006, 11:51 AM   #2
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I would love to get Mario Williams in KC, but that price is far to expensive.

If we didn't have like a gazillion holes to fill, that trade wouldn't be all that impractical.

However, by making that kind of a deal, you only allow yourself to address one need in the draft.

I don't intend to be insulting, but that kind of trade would just be a stupid one on the Chiefs part.
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Old 03-22-2006, 11:55 AM   #3
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Even considering in the late rounds or in ANY round for that matter, doesn't history prove that with Carl Peterson at the healm, we're gonna make a bad choice anyways? Why not trade away some of those Omar Easy, Eric Downing picks away for an ultimate solution to DE.
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Old 03-22-2006, 11:57 AM   #4
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I would love to get Mario Williams in KC, but that price is far to expensive.

If we didn't have like a gazillion holes to fill, that trade wouldn't be all that impractical.

However, by making that kind of a deal, you only allow yourself to address one need in the draft.

I don't intend to be insulting, but that kind of trade would just be a stupid one on the Chiefs part.
I like your takes on here, but that's lunacy to say that the Chiefs shouldn't make a move like that.

To go from 20-4 and only give up a fourth this year, which we don't have anyway, and a third next year for a game-changing DE?

You're only losing a 4 this year.

While it would be nice, it would NEVER happen because we'd have to give up two future #1s along with our second this year just to get the Jets attention.

The value to move up from 20-4 is huge.
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:03 PM   #5
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Even considering in the late rounds or in ANY round for that matter, doesn't history prove that with Carl Peterson at the healm, we're gonna make a bad choice anyways? Why not trade away some of those Omar Easy, Eric Downing picks away for an ultimate solution to DE.
History tells us that the Chiefs have made some bad selections.

Evidence suggests strongly that Carl has made selections based on his coach's desires.

I am neither a fan of Carl or Hermie, but I have to believe that Hermie, with his background in scouting and defense, will make better recommendations than Dick did.

Tamba Hali or Broderick Bunkley will most likely be there at #20.
There are going to be some good players available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

I'd rather take my chances with 3 picks.
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:03 PM   #6
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How about with the Raiders, nab that #7 pick from them if they sign Aaron Brooks who could flourish with Moss and Porter. Brooks plays better on grass anyways. The Raiders really don't know who they'd get anyways, although Vince Young or Jay Cutler may look probable. If the Chiefs had the #7 Overall Pick in the Draft they could have a shot at AJ Hawk. Then we really could let go of all that salary Kendrell Bell has.
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:06 PM   #7
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Hinz... there's no way that a trade offer like you threw out there would ever be considered. A #20, R4 and next year's R3 for this year's 4th overall? Not a chance.

Hell, I don't think Denver could move up to #4 by offering both of their R1 picks (#15 and #22) this year.

And, KC trading up with the Raiders? C'mon...
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:07 PM   #8
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I like your takes on here, but that's lunacy to say that the Chiefs shouldn't make a move like that.

To go from 20-4 and only give up a fourth this year, which we don't have anyway, and a third next year for a game-changing DE?

You're only losing a 4 this year.

While it would be nice, it would NEVER happen because we'd have to give up two future #1s along with our second this year just to get the Jets attention.

The value to move up from 20-4 is huge.
I should have read his proposal a little more closely.

I'm so used to people proposing rediculous ideas, I read as this years picks only.
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:17 PM   #9
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Evidence suggests strongly that Carl has made selections based on his coach's desires.
I'm not sure Carl can use that as a defense since he also hired the coaches (and he's done okay at that, actually, with the exception of Gun). Art Shell thought he could develop Trezelle Jenkins, but the decision is ultimately Carl's. Hard to pass the buck on draft day if you're the GM. It's not like he fears confrontation.
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:20 PM   #10
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...That way we have the chance to grab Mario Williams who is supposed to be a "can't miss" ready to contribute DE.
Right...another 'cant miss' player like Ryan Sims.

edit...there's no way that any team moves from 20 to 4 by swaping firsts and a 3rd and 4th. Get serious.
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:21 PM   #11
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Considering the success the Denver Broncos had with it, maybe the Chiefs should explore something like that with New York Jets. Do something like this:

NEW YORK JETS GET:
20th Overall Pick in 1st Round
4th Round Pick in 2006
3rd Round Pick in 2007

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GET:
4th Overall Pick in 1st Round

That way we have the chance to grab Mario Williams who is supposed to be a "can't miss" ready to contribute DE.
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:24 PM   #12
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A lot of people are talking about the Jets trading up to #2, so they aren't too likely to trade down. And we're not going to trade with the Raiders. Rather than trying to talk in specifics that will never happen, it might be easier to speak generally.

I can't see us trading up. If anything, we could trade down if nobody Herm is wild about is there at #20... but unless some teams unexpectedly go for defense, there should be a few good names for us to choose from.

If some team wanted to do what the 'Skins did last year with Denver, and take KC's first round pick for some mid-rounders and their first round pick next year (giving us two), that would be fine with me.

If KC wanted to play the 'Skins role and try to get a second first round pick this year, getting us a CB and D-line help, I could live with that, too... as long as they don't make as dumb a deal as Washington did.
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:26 PM   #13
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I'm not sure Carl can use that as a defense since he also hired the coaches (and he's done okay at that, actually, with the exception of Gun). Art Shell thought he could develop Trezelle Jenkins, but the decision is ultimately Carl's. Hard to pass the buck on draft day if you're the GM. It's not like he fears confrontation.
I'm fully aware of that.

If you were around more, you would know my primary critisism of Carl, and the main reason I'll be glad when he's gone in four years (how many years is that in Car years?) is the choices he's made in selcting the HC.

I disagree that he's done ok with with any of his selections.

I wanted no part of Marty, or Dick, and pretty much got what I expected from their tenures as HC.

All I am saying, however, is let's give Hermie a chance to work with this draft with Carl, and let's see how it works.
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:31 PM   #14
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Carl's drafting has stunk far more than his coach selections. Marty and Vermeil did better with different GM's. Tends to suggest he was the problem and not them.
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:34 PM   #15
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Carl's drafting has stunk far more than his coach selections. Marty and Vermeil did better with different GM's. Tends to suggest he was the problem and not them.
To the contrary...it's been well established that Carl typically defers to his coaches as far as the picks go. Carl did overrule DV on Larry Johnson and I for one am glad he did.

Im not sure how much better Marty has done with other GM's, I must have missed his SB trip.
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