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Old 04-17-2006, 11:30 PM  
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Let's open the books and see if we can put odds on what issues the Republicans will use to motivate the religious nutjobs of their base to get out to vote in '08.
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Old 04-17-2006, 11:56 PM   #2
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Old 04-18-2006, 01:01 AM   #3
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Old 04-18-2006, 06:37 AM   #4
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Old 04-18-2006, 07:56 AM   #5
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:14 AM   #6
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Both sides will use the wedge. And as usual neither party will follow through and please the base of the party. Both major parties are bunch of greedy frauds!! I hope the American people as a whole can soon wake up and see what kind of toads we have running the show in Washington.
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:30 AM   #7
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"Wedge" issues are a Repub strategy.

The term (I think) was coined by Lee Atwater, Reagan's campaign manager.

Refers to the devices used to pry people away fro what would ordinarily be their own economic self-interest.
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:42 AM   #8
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Refers to the devices used to pry people away fro what would ordinarily be their own economic self-interest.
Oh c'mon.
There are two blaring problems with that.
1. It assumes that people have a universally agreed heuristic of what their economic self-interest is. Ohh, they're poor or middle class, they have to want government entitlements, they don't want opportunity, they want assurance.
2. It assumes that economic self-interest is station-zero for political decision making, and voters must be 'pried' from it to change their outlook.
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:43 AM   #9
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Oops, may have gotten my wires crossed there, sorry.
May have? You voted for Bush, didn't you?
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:47 AM   #10
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"Wedge" issues are a Repub strategy.

The term (I think) was coined by Lee Atwater, Reagan's campaign manager.
Wedge issues are an everyone and everywhere strategy. And it preceded Atwater by eons.
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:48 AM   #11
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Oh c'mon.
There are two blaring problems with that.
1. It assumes that people have a universally agreed heuristic of what their economic self-interest is. Ohh, they're poor or middle class, they have to want government entitlements, they don't want opportunity, they want assurance.
2. It assumes that economic self-interest is station-zero for political decision making, and voters must be 'pried' from it to change their outlook.
I don't disagree with those assumptions being implicit in the concept, nor that your analysis offers a different way to look at it.

That was just my paraphrasing of how Atwater saw the concept.
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:50 AM   #12
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"Wedge" issues are a Repub strategy.
Are you saying you don't think democrats use the same strategies or are you just giving credit to Republicans for coming up with the idea in the first place?
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Old 04-18-2006, 09:20 AM   #13
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Both sides will use the wedge. And as usual neither party will follow through and please the base of the party. Both major parties are bunch of greedy frauds!! I hope the American people as a whole can soon wake up and see what kind of toads we have running the show in Washington.
The reason there is no follow through is because it would take the bullets out of their guns. If they leave the "evil" of the world in place, they can perpetually "promise" to make changes.
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Old 04-18-2006, 09:29 AM   #14
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The reason there is no follow through is because it would take the bullets out of their guns. If they leave the "evil" of the world in place, they can perpetually "promise" to make changes.
That is a dynamic, but it's not universal.
Do you honestly believe that staunch pro-lifers actually want abortion to remain legal so they can just continue to lobby for it's overturn?
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Old 04-18-2006, 09:37 AM   #15
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