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Old 04-21-2006, 12:14 AM  
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The One Certainty About Iraq: Spiralling Costs for Americans

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...1866779&page=1

Poor Planning, Need for New Equipment Could Push War Costs to $1 Trillion
By KEITH GARVIN

April 20, 2006 - There are many uncertainties about the progress made by coalition forces and the future prospects for stability and democracy in Iraq, but there is at least one indisputable fact: The Bush administration vastly underestimated the costs of the Iraq war.

Not only in human lives, but in monetary terms as well, the costs of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq far exceed the administration's initial projection of a $50 billion tab. While the number of American casualties in Iraq has declined this year, the amount of money spent to fight the war and rebuild the country has spiralled upward.

The price is expected to almost double after lawmakers return to Capitol Hill next week when the Senate takes up a record $106.5 billion emergency spending bill that includes $72.4 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The House passed a $92 billion version of the bill last month that included $68 billion in war funding. That comes on top of $50 billion already allocated for the war this fiscal year.

Poor Planning Could Push War Costs to $1 Trillion

ABC analyst Tony Cordesman, who also holds the Arleigh A. Burke Chair in Strategy for the Center for Strategic and International Studies, says the exorbitant costs come down to poor planning.

"When the administration submitted its original budget for the Iraq war, it didn't provide money for continuing the war this year or any other. We could end up spending up to $1 trillion in supplemental budgets for this war."

According to the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, the United States spent $48 billion for Iraq in 2003, $59 billion in 2004, and $81 billion in 2005. The center predicts the figure will balloon to $94 billion for 2006. That equates to a $1,205 bill for each of America's 78 million families, on top of taxes they already pay.

Bill Will Linger Long After Withdrawal

Analysts say the increases can be blamed on the rising cost of maintaining military equipment and developing new equipment. As the cost of military equipment escalates, the cost of the war escalates. In fact, developing state-of-the-art weapons to defeat insurgents and their roadside bombs will hit the wallets of American taxpayers for years to come.

"The Department of Defense has increased its investment in new equipment from $700 billion to $1.4 trillion in the coming years," Cordesman said.

Army Chief of Staff Peter Schoomaker recently warned lawmakers that the cost of upkeep and replacement of military equipment would continue even after U.S. forces withdrew from Iraq. To fully reequip and upgrade the U.S. Army after the war ends will cost $36 billion over six years, and that figure assumes U.S. forces will start withdrawing from Iraq in July, and be completely out of the country by the end of 2008.

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Old 04-21-2006, 01:29 AM   #2
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http://www.lovenstein.org/report/

The Presidential IQ Report

WASHINGTON --In a published report, the Lovenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania has detailed findings of a four month study of the intelligence quotient of President George W. Bush. Since 1973, the Lovenstein Institute has published its research to the education community on each new president, which includes the famous "IQ" report among others.

According to statements in the report, there have been twelve presidents over the past 60 years, from F. D. Roosevelt to G. W. Bush who were all rated based on scholarly achievements, writings that they alone produced without aid of staff, their ability to speak with clarity, and several other psychological factors which were then scored in the Swanson/Crain system of intelligence ranking. The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points:

147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald R. Ford (R)
176 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald W. Reagan (R)
98 George H. W. Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
91 George W. Bush (R)
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Old 04-21-2006, 06:05 AM   #3
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I liked this part:

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ABC analyst Tony Cordesman, who also holds the Arleigh A. Burke Chair in Strategy for the Center for Strategic and International Studies, says the exorbitant costs come down to poor planning.

"When the administration submitted its original budget for the Iraq war, it didn't provide money for continuing the war this year or any other. We could end up spending up to $1 trillion in supplemental budgets for this war."
WTF? Is Cordsman saying that poor planning led to exorbitant costs? If so, why doesn't he back up his assertion with some explanation? Or is he just saying we need to use supplemental budgets instead of regular budgets because of poor planning? If so, who cares?

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According to the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, the United States spent $48 billion for Iraq in 2003, $59 billion in 2004, and $81 billion in 2005. The center predicts the figure will balloon to $94 billion for 2006. That equates to a $1,205 bill for each of America's 78 million families, on top of taxes they already pay.
$1,205 per family over a 4 year period doesn't sound exorbitant if you are going to fight a war. That's barely over $300 per year. And why do we report expenses like these as though we have a flat tax? Poor families will pay $0 on top of the $0 they already pay in taxes. Rich families will pay a hell of a lot more than $1,205 per family because they are paying the freight for themselves and all those poor families who don't pay their fair share.

I don't remember the exact numbers, but this war is far cheaper on an annual basis than several wars in US history (e.g. the World Wars) as a percentage of GDP. The difference was dramatic. Something like 0.5% of GDP for the current war compared to something on the order of 30% of GDP for WWII. So all the hype about spiraling and record costs (in absolute terms) is a little misleading.
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Old 04-21-2006, 07:16 AM   #4
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1200 dollars over four years is way too much...especially for those of us who think we have no business over there in the first place.
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Old 04-21-2006, 07:44 AM   #5
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http://www.lovenstein.org/report/

The Presidential IQ Report

WASHINGTON --In a published report, the Lovenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania has detailed findings of a four month study of the intelligence quotient of President George W. Bush. Since 1973, the Lovenstein Institute has published its research to the education community on each new president, which includes the famous "IQ" report among others.

According to statements in the report, there have been twelve presidents over the past 60 years, from F. D. Roosevelt to G. W. Bush who were all rated based on scholarly achievements, writings that they alone produced without aid of staff, their ability to speak with clarity, and several other psychological factors which were then scored in the Swanson/Crain system of intelligence ranking. The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points:

147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald R. Ford (R)
176 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald W. Reagan (R)
98 George H. W. Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
91 George W. Bush (R)
I'm sure those numbers are as accurate as as they could be for someone that detests the Bush family.

I find it hard to believe that any of the numbers reflect the true IQ of any of those presidents listed.

You cannot judge a persons IQ without first hand testing. I don't believe that you actually posted this drivel.
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Old 04-21-2006, 08:42 AM   #6
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I don't believe that you actually posted this drivel.
You must not be familiar with Boyceofsummer's posting history.
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Old 04-21-2006, 08:51 AM   #7
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1200 dollars over four years is way too much...especially for those of us who think we have no business over there in the first place.
I understand that for people who don't approve of the war, $1 would be too much. My point was that given the decision to go to war, $300 per year per family isn't an exorbitant cost. What is that, a little less than $0.15 per hour for a single-income family who's breadwinner works a nominal 40 hour work week and less than $0.08 per hour if the family relies on two incomes? That's not really a financially back-breaking sacrifice IMO.
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Old 04-21-2006, 08:57 AM   #8
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You must not be familiar with Boyceofsummer's posting history.
Oh, I am but it just needed to be said again.
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Old 04-21-2006, 09:10 AM   #9
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I'm sure those numbers are as accurate as as they could be for someone that detests the Bush family.
I don't detest Bush (one should feel sorry for people with low IQs), but I do agree with you that the test is flawed. 91 is way too high for Duhbya - its barely below average. If he were not born rich, you'd be chasing him and his squeegee away from your windshield at a stoplight somewhere. No way is he as high as 91.
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I don't detest Bush (one should feel sorry for people with low IQs), but I do agree with you that the test is flawed. 91 is way too high for Duhbya - its barely below average. If he were not born rich, you'd be chasing him and his squeegee away from your windshield at a stoplight somewhere. No way is he as high as 91.
I think your opinion is quite jaded. I would bet that the IQ's of all of the presidents are pretty much on an even keel. I'd bet that they are within 20 points of 150 across the board. That means low 130 ,high 170.

IQ does not measure the effectiveness of a person only their potential.

Bush might not use his intelligence as you want him to, but then if Clinton's IQ was so high why would he have sex with an intern in the oval office (on more than one occasion?)?

Remember the movie Rain Man? DH played an individual with an IQ off the charts, but his actions were less than socially acceptable.
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Old 04-21-2006, 10:54 AM   #11
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Bush might not use his intelligence as you want him to, but then if Clinton's IQ was so high why would he have sex with an intern ....Remember the movie Rain Man?
Actually, it would be nice if he used his intelligence. Scary part is that he probably already is (shudder!). You may be right, though - maybe he's secretly smart like RainMan....


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Actually, it would be nice if he used his intelligence. Scary part is that he probably already is (shudder!). You may be right, though - maybe he's secretly smart like RainMan....


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You are very confused. IQ doesn't really have any bearing on how you conduct yourself, it is your intelligence quotient.

IF the IQ's listed were correct and Bill Clinton would have weighed his situation he would not have diddled with Monica in the Oval office. What he did was very stupid and basically immoral.

What I"m saying is that your numbers don't jive.
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Old 04-21-2006, 11:19 AM   #13
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President Bush has degrees from Harvard and Yale and successfully completed jet fighter pilot training by the United States military. Obviously, that "Lovenstein Institute" report is nonsense. Here's the snopes.com report on it:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.htm

Here's the wikipedia.org entry on President Bush:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_..._Guard_service
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Old 04-21-2006, 11:20 AM   #14
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IF the IQ's listed were correct and Bill Clinton would have weighed his situation he would not have diddled with Monica in the Oval office. What he did was very stupid and basically immoral.

What I"m saying is that your numbers don't jive.
Hey... those aren't my numbers. I agreed with you that the test is flawed - no way is Bush's IQ as high as 91. Not sure if I agree with your assessment that smart people cannot be sexually kinky. And folks don't need to consider what Bush does with his weenie to recognize that he's mentally deficient. I also agreed that maybe Bush is secretly smart like Rainman, but giving no possible way of detecting it. Maybe he just seems moronic, but somewhere deep down inside there actually is some intelligence that cannot be expressed through words, deeds, or any other means.
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I don't detest Bush (one should feel sorry for people with low IQs), but I do agree with you that the test is flawed. 91 is way too high for Duhbya - its barely below average. If he were not born rich, you'd be chasing him and his squeegee away from your windshield at a stoplight somewhere. No way is he as high as 91.
I think 91 is about right. He talks like a moron and has a rather limited grasp on our language, but does show savvy and intuitive abilities on occasion.

I think that if you pulled 100 people off the street, Bush wouldn't make the top 15, but he'd be in the next 16-30.

It's like Franken always says. "Bush is like the 3rd-funniest guy in your fraternity."
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