Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Lounge > D.C.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-21-2006, 05:09 AM  
Taco John Taco John is offline
12on Paul
 
Taco John's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Casino cash: $10096331
Should schools ban Harry Potter in fairness?

A hearing took place yesterday about whether a Georgia school should ban Harry Potter from school libraries because of complaints that the books glorify witchcraft. It occurs to me that there is an effort, I believe rightly, to get religion out of schools and keep church and state seperate. In the spirit of those who would go to whatever end necessary to abolish any symbol of Christianity from public schools, should Christians be afforded the same courtesies against Witchcraft?

I don't personally know that they should. I'm just asking the question.
Posts: 50,309
Taco John is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Taco John is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Taco John is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Taco John is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Taco John is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Taco John is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Taco John is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Taco John is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Taco John is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Taco John is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Taco John is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 06:04 AM   #2
Adept Havelock Adept Havelock is offline
Obligatory Thoughtcriminal
 
Adept Havelock's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Flux,awaiting an observer
Casino cash: $57005
Last time I checked, the Harry Potter books made no direct reference to any specific religion. The brand of "magic" practiced bares little similarity to the practices of Wicca or most "pagan" faiths, AFAICT.

If this is proven to be the case, then why not? Of course, that also means banning the classics of C.S. Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia.
__________________
No matter how cynical you are, it is impossible to keep up. -Lily Tomlin

I'd rather be a climbing monkey than a falling angel. -Terry Pratchett
Posts: 14,303
Adept Havelock is not part of the Right 53.Adept Havelock is not part of the Right 53.Adept Havelock is not part of the Right 53.Adept Havelock is not part of the Right 53.Adept Havelock is not part of the Right 53.Adept Havelock is not part of the Right 53.Adept Havelock is not part of the Right 53.Adept Havelock is not part of the Right 53.Adept Havelock is not part of the Right 53.Adept Havelock is not part of the Right 53.Adept Havelock is not part of the Right 53.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 06:11 AM   #3
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $463054
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taco John
A hearing took place yesterday about whether a Georgia school should ban Harry Potter from school libraries because of complaints that the books glorify witchcraft. It occurs to me that there is an effort, I believe rightly, to get religion out of schools and keep church and state seperate. In the spirit of those who would go to whatever end necessary to abolish any symbol of Christianity from public schools, should Christians be afforded the same courtesies against Witchcraft?

I don't personally know that they should. I'm just asking the question.
I don't think Harry Potter witchcraft is a religion, it's a fantasy. Even though Wiccans might call themselves witches, it's a different kind of witch. Anyone who believes they are a Harry Potter style witch is crazy, not religious.
__________________


"Well, it is one thing for Bill Clinton to say, I feel your pain. It is another thing for Barack Obama to say I feel your pain that I have caused." - George Will
Posts: 74,196
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 06:30 AM   #4
memyselfI memyselfI is offline
CHANGEd your mind yet????
 
memyselfI's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Lunatics Anonymous
Casino cash: $37681


The kids of people screaming about this really should be attending RRWNJ schools or home schooled. Leave the rest of us and our kids the fugg alone.
__________________
Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

BigChiefDave:"Anyone who thought we would only be in Iraq for a few years is either stoned or just stoopid."
"It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last 6 days, 6 wks. I doubt 6 mths." Rummy 2/7/03
Posts: 31,894
memyselfI has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 07:06 AM   #5
Radar Chief Radar Chief is offline
Vroooom.
 
Radar Chief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: In the box.
Casino cash: $103736
Quote:
Originally Posted by memyselfI


The kids of people screaming about this really should be attending RRWNJ schools or home schooled. Leave the rest of us and our kids the fugg alone.
So, when do you send your kids to madrassa?
__________________
Like "Cool Hand" Luke I'm busting rocks.

__/|_/[___]
|/ \\_| ---OllllO
_( ))~-( ))-0--))
Posts: 21,909
Radar Chief is obviously part of the inner Circle.Radar Chief is obviously part of the inner Circle.Radar Chief is obviously part of the inner Circle.Radar Chief is obviously part of the inner Circle.Radar Chief is obviously part of the inner Circle.Radar Chief is obviously part of the inner Circle.Radar Chief is obviously part of the inner Circle.Radar Chief is obviously part of the inner Circle.Radar Chief is obviously part of the inner Circle.Radar Chief is obviously part of the inner Circle.Radar Chief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 07:14 AM   #6
oldandslow oldandslow is offline
Veteran
 

Join Date: Apr 2004
Casino cash: $43238
No, the books should not be banned.

This entire discussion is ridiculous.
Posts: 3,757
oldandslow 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitellioldandslow 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitellioldandslow 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitellioldandslow 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitellioldandslow 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitellioldandslow 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitellioldandslow 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitellioldandslow 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitellioldandslow 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitellioldandslow 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitellioldandslow 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitelli
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 07:16 AM   #7
Braincase Braincase is offline
Captain Nemo
 
Braincase's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Brownbackistan
Casino cash: $1087120
Where is the First United Church of Potter Related Magic?

Can't say I've had people with funny hats coming around asking me if I'd like a copy of the Gryffindor Times.
__________________
BrainCase
Posts: 14,917
Braincase is too fat/Omaha.Braincase is too fat/Omaha.Braincase is too fat/Omaha.Braincase is too fat/Omaha.Braincase is too fat/Omaha.Braincase is too fat/Omaha.Braincase is too fat/Omaha.Braincase is too fat/Omaha.Braincase is too fat/Omaha.Braincase is too fat/Omaha.Braincase is too fat/Omaha.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 08:32 AM   #8
Mr. Laz Mr. Laz is offline
Don't Tease Me
 
Mr. Laz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: KS
Casino cash: $434864
depends ... do you consider Magic a religion?
Posts: 80,099
Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 08:35 AM   #9
'Hamas' Jenkins 'Hamas' Jenkins is offline
Wood Drastically Underest-
 
'Hamas' Jenkins's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Casino cash: $191803
If Harry Potter books are banned, it should be because they ****ing suck, not b/c of any presumed religious content. The logical extension of this argument would lead to the banning of nearly every book on the grounds that it glorifies some type of religion, whether it be main stream Christianity or secular humanism. Leave it to the Georgia cousin rapers...
__________________
A great shot is when you pull it off. A smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try.
Posts: 56,342
'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 08:36 AM   #10
Mr. Laz Mr. Laz is offline
Don't Tease Me
 
Mr. Laz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: KS
Casino cash: $434864
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radar Chief
So, when do you send your kids to madrassa?
are yours attending The Neo-Confederates school of literature and achievement?
Posts: 80,099
Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 09:06 AM   #11
Chiefs Express Chiefs Express is offline
Banned
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 3rd Rock from the Sun
Casino cash: $250
Freedom of speech doesn't seem to be on ther forefront of people's minds when they talk of banning books. Is the bible in school libraries? If so, then harry potter should be. If not, no.

As for C.S. Lewis, I seem to remember that he turned against God at one point in his life. I don't know what the basis of Narnia is, but if it was written after the turn I don't see it as a "tool for religion".

If you want to be a witch, be one, just don't push it off on me as something good. (Kind of like what they say about religion if they are non-believers.)
Posts: 1,974
Chiefs Express is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.Chiefs Express is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 09:12 AM   #12
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $463054
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefs Express
Freedom of speech doesn't seem to be on ther forefront of people's minds when they talk of banning books. Is the bible in school libraries? If so, then harry potter should be. If not, no.

As for C.S. Lewis, I seem to remember that he turned against God at one point in his life. I don't know what the basis of Narnia is, but if it was written after the turn I don't see it as a "tool for religion".

If you want to be a witch, be one, just don't push it off on me as something good. (Kind of like what they say about religion if they are non-believers.)
I'm no CS Lewis expert, but my recollection is that his transformation was the reverse of what you are thinking. He was a skeptic and later became a Christian. And while Lewis never said as much, most people believe that the Narnia Chronicals are very much based on the stories of Christ.
__________________


"Well, it is one thing for Bill Clinton to say, I feel your pain. It is another thing for Barack Obama to say I feel your pain that I have caused." - George Will
Posts: 74,196
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 09:19 AM   #13
Chiefs Express Chiefs Express is offline
Banned
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 3rd Rock from the Sun
Casino cash: $250
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu
I'm no CS Lewis expert, but my recollection is that his transformation was the reverse of what you are thinking. He was a skeptic and later became a Christian. And while Lewis never said as much, most people believe that the Narnia Chronicals are very much based on the stories of Christ.
As a book of fiction it could be based on most anything or anyone.

How about the modern day William Smith (who was reported to be the Christ) or Joshua (movie character that was based on a modern day Christ). For that matter it could be based on any "known" religious figure that tried to follow the bible.

I will do some research on CS Lewis. We've had discussions about him and what happened to him at PK. I'll get back with what I find.
Posts: 1,974
Chiefs Express is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.Chiefs Express is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 09:22 AM   #14
Sully Sully is offline
Good Merlinpeen to all!!!
 
Sully's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Lees Summit
Casino cash: $37892
IMHO, I don't think anything should be banned from a library.
I understand protecting kids and all, and I support that. But if you afraid of a subject (Christianity, Islam, Witchcraft), what better way to confirm or shoot down that fear than research. Research could include both reference type of books, and how the subject appears and is portrayed in poular culture.
My mom was one of these nuts trying to hide me from everything as I was growing up.
I was banned from watching the friggin Smurfs, for crying out loud, because some religious paranoid whacko had convinced her of all the symbolism for witchcraft included in it.
__________________
"Let's all get the same girl pregnant, tonight!"
Posts: 12,954
Sully 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliSully 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliSully 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliSully 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliSully 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliSully 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliSully 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliSully 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliSully 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliSully 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliSully 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitelli
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2006, 09:26 AM   #15
Chiefs Express Chiefs Express is offline
Banned
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 3rd Rock from the Sun
Casino cash: $250
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefs Express
As a book of fiction it could be based on most anything or anyone.

How about the modern day William Smith (who was reported to be the Christ) or Joshua (movie character that was based on a modern day Christ). For that matter it could be based on any "known" religious figure that tried to follow the bible.

I will do some research on CS Lewis. We've had discussions about him and what happened to him at PK. I'll get back with what I find.
A quick search gives me the indication that C.S. Lewis wrote the Chronicles of Narnia while he was a believer and that later he fell away from religion. I'm still searching for the book in which he explained his change.
Posts: 1,974
Chiefs Express is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.Chiefs Express is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.