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Old 04-23-2006, 06:10 PM  
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"Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Democratic Party?"


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._04/008669.php

April 23, 2006
CLEANING HOUSE?....David Corn points out this sentence in today's Washington Post story about the firing of CIA officer Mary McCarthy as part of the agency's stepped up effort to fight leaks:

The White House also has recently barraged the agency with questions about the political affiliations of some of its senior intelligence officers, according to intelligence officials.

That sure deserves a followup, doesn't it? And a note to the White House: if you stop breaking the law, that would be a pretty good way to stop leaks too.

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Old 04-23-2006, 06:38 PM   #2
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Old 04-23-2006, 06:40 PM   #3
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No, not yet. It may happen though........right after my lobotomy.
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Old 04-23-2006, 07:16 PM   #4
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No, but I can recognize that this administration seems to have no problems using old Eugene's playbook. With about the same probability of long-term success for their agenda, IMO.

Whose Roy Cohn this time? Ken Mehlman?
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Old 04-23-2006, 07:39 PM   #5
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No, not yet. It may happen though........right after my lobotomy.
I don't think you can actually register as a democrat with a lobotomy on your medical record. If you could they might make you run for office as you would be one of the most intelligent people in the party.
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Old 04-23-2006, 07:42 PM   #6
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I don't think you can actually register as a democrat with a lobotomy on your medical record.
You are correct. However, it is a prerequisite for joining the GOP. (j/k)
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Old 04-23-2006, 07:50 PM   #7
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Man am I glad I don't subscribe to ANY political party lines. I can't imagine going through life with a political party telling me what is "our party values". I may be conservative but I don't share ALL the values of either the GOP or the Dems.

Edit: I am an Independent. I have the mental image of a sheep when I see someone who is blindly loyal to a political party.
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Old 04-23-2006, 07:57 PM   #8
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Man am I glad I don't subscribe to ANY political party lines. I can't imagine going through life with a political party telling me what is "our party values". I may be conservative but I don't share ALL the values of either the GOP or the Dems.

Edit: I am an Independent. I have the mental image of a sheep when I see someone who is blindly loyal to a political party.
I do believe that is why the fastest growing political affiliation in this nation is "Independent". Nice to see so many people coming to their senses, is it not?
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Old 04-23-2006, 08:03 PM   #9
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You are correct. However, it is a prerequisite for joining the GOP. (j/k)
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I do believe that is why the fastest growing political affiliation in this nation is "Independent". Nice to see so many people coming to their senses, is it not?
Yep. I liked Ronald Reagan and JFK, both for their own reasons. Both had their weaknesses but their strengths far outweighed them. That is also how I normally vote. I personally could care less what political party a candidate belongs to. I see 2 things: 1) What is their position on the issues that affect ME and the country as a whole and 2) are they blind idealogues/demagogues or are they coherent, intelligent and can they find their azz with both hands? Lastly, I want to see CONSISTENCY in their voting record on the issues.
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Old 04-23-2006, 08:18 PM   #11
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Yep. I liked Ronald Reagan and JFK, both for their own reasons. Both had their weaknesses but their strengths far outweighed them. That is also how I normally vote. I personally could care less what political party a candidate belongs to. I see 2 things: 1) What is their position on the issues that affect ME and the country as a whole and 2) are they blind idealogues/demagogues or are they coherent, intelligent and can they find their azz with both hands? Lastly, I want to see CONSISTENCY in their voting record on the issues.
I knew there was a damn good reason that even when we disagreed, I could always respect your arguments. That, and as I've said, your Lenny the Cool avatar.

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Old 04-23-2006, 08:29 PM   #12
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I knew there was a damn good reason that even when we disagreed, I could always respect your arguments. That, and as I've said, your Lenny the Cool avatar.

Have a good night. Cheers!
Same to you man. You are one of the few people who have a completely different belief system and political viewpoint that i can have a meaningful discourse with. And yes, Lenny was indeed the bomb. Always loved the guy.....call me old school. Good Night dude.
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Old 04-23-2006, 08:46 PM   #13
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Man am I glad I don't subscribe to ANY political party lines. I can't imagine going through life with a political party telling me what is "our party values". I may be conservative but I don't share ALL the values of either the GOP or the Dems.

Edit: I am an Independent. I have the mental image of a sheep when I see someone who is blindly loyal to a political party.
I'm one of the most outspoken Dems and my criticism of this administration causes me to be labled among the most liberal on the board. That said, I'm not even remotely close to letting any party "tell me" anything. I tell the party, not the other way around. I think that's the case with most people in both Parties.

I've actually become active within the party here in Tucson with the sole purpose of organizing my fellow liberally-minded business leaders to help influence the direction of the party.
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I find it interesting that when Valerie Plame was outed, jAZ was all over it to the point that he speculated that Karl Rove might even be executed if it turned out he had leaked her identity. Now, when a major leak of actual national secrets occurs, he's more worried about whether or not democrats in senior intelligence positions will be able to hide their political affiliations than he is about the leak or the leaker.

I don't know whether the death penalty is on the table or not and I don't know if I'd support that penalty, but if the allegations are true/proven, they should sure make an example out of her if they want these leaks to stop.
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That said, I'm not even remotely close to letting any party "tell me" anything. I tell the party, not the other way around. I think that's the case with most people in both Parties
If you believe that, I have some snake oil you might be interested in. I see how you defend even the most ridiculous position or action of a Dem but YOU tell THEM how the cow eats the cabbage? I think not. They SELL you on their agenda or you wouldn't be a member of the party. IOW, you buy it hook, line and sinker. Not trying to be offensive here, just definitive.

I see things a bit differently. I may be conservative but I certainly do not endorse the Republican Party. Why? Because they say one thing and do another. Just like the Dems. The GOP claims to be Conservative but they are anything but that at the moment. Our government has grown to Democratic spending proportions and Democratic fiscal irresponsibility levels under the supposedly "conservative" Rep congress. I agree with Bush's foreign policy but am really pissed off about his domestic policy, especially illegal immigration, border security and alternative fuel research.
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