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Old 04-27-2006, 07:31 AM  
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Dont tell me the Chiefs knew what they were doing with Bartee

or for that matter that they knew with Woods, Warfield, Bartee and Battle.
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Noted one veteran NFC scout: "If you've got one of those two-way defensive backs, and you're not sure quite what he is, you always start him out on the corner, so he can at least get his feet on the ground. But, yeah, we are seeing a lot more of those guys now. And teams are having success with them."
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Old 04-27-2006, 07:33 AM   #2
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or for that matter that they knew with Woods, Warfield, Bartee and Battle.
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Noted one veteran NFC scout: "If you've got one of those two-way defensive backs, and you're not sure quite what he is, you always start him out on the corner, so he can at least get his feet on the ground. But, yeah, we are seeing a lot more of those guys now. And teams are having success with them."
So the scout suggests starting them at CB, which is exactly what KC did with all of them, and they are wrong for doing it that way? Are you saying that scout is wrong too?
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Old 04-27-2006, 07:35 AM   #3
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Woods and Warfield were just fine. They are just over the hill.
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Old 04-27-2006, 07:37 AM   #4
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So the scout suggests starting them at CB, which is exactly what KC did with all of them, and they are wrong for doing it that way? Are you saying that scout is wrong too?
Nope. That's not what I'm saying. But I am waiting for Carl to write a "Bob Gretz" article claiming how he actually invented the hybrid defensive back.
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Old 04-27-2006, 07:45 AM   #5
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Nope. That's not what I'm saying. But I am waiting for Carl to write a "Bob Gretz" article claiming how he actually invented the hybrid defensive back.
There are enough things about the Chiefs to bitch about without inventing rants.

Bartee was a bust
Woods was a solid safety in his younger days (pre-injury)
Warfield was average, but he was also a 7th round pick, What did you expect?
Battle has been buried behing Vermeil's loyalty to vets, we can't exactly judge him yet.

Every team in the league drafts guys that are CB/S tweeners, and like all draft picks, some of them never pan out. KC isn't doing anything out of the ordinary.

If you want to piss and moan about something, at least pick something legit. Bitch about our ridiculous inability to scout D-linemen.
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Old 04-27-2006, 08:16 AM   #6
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There are enough things about the Chiefs to bitch about without inventing rants.

Bartee was a bust
Woods was a solid safety in his younger days (pre-injury)
Warfield was average, but he was also a 7th round pick, What did you expect?
Battle has been buried behing Vermeil's loyalty to vets, we can't exactly judge him yet.

Every team in the league drafts guys that are CB/S tweeners, and like all draft picks, some of them never pan out. KC isn't doing anything out of the ordinary.

If you want to piss and moan about something, at least pick something legit. Bitch about our ridiculous inability to scout D-linemen.
No sh1t...these have really been the 'bust-o-Chiefs' players
Let's not go down that list again.
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Old 04-27-2006, 08:19 AM   #7
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There are enough things about the Chiefs to bitch about without inventing rants.

Bartee was a bust
Woods was a solid safety in his younger days (pre-injury)
Warfield was average, but he was also a 7th round pick, What did you expect?
Battle has been buried behing Vermeil's loyalty to vets, we can't exactly judge him yet.

Every team in the league drafts guys that are CB/S tweeners, and like all draft picks, some of them never pan out. KC isn't doing anything out of the ordinary.

If you want to piss and moan about something, at least pick something legit. Bitch about our ridiculous inability to scout D-linemen.
Bravo! Woods was indeed a helluva player for quite some time. Warfield far exceeded expectations for a 7th round pick. Bartee does indeed carry the true bust label, and Battle has yet to have a true opportunity, so who knows?

Right on with the D-Line comment. I hope that Krumrie has an eye for talent. Guy's gotta hope for something right?
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:09 AM   #8
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Unfortunately, Reggie Tongue was the better S between him and Woods. They needed each other, and when they split, both of them slipped...
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:10 AM   #9
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Some day Bartee will get an interception and prove us all wrong.

He's got great measurables, though, and we all know that April is about measurables, not production.
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:12 AM   #10
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Unfortunately, Reggie Tongue was the better S between him and Woods. They needed each other, and when they split, both of them slipped...
While Tongue didn't exactly become an all-pro, I felt at the time, and still believe, that the Chiefs would've been better off keeping him over Woods.

Woods was a serviceable safety for a long time, but he wasn't the impact player that we could have expected from a 1st-round safety. I've got nothing against the guy, but he essentially was an unspectacular but workable safety. I wanted more.
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:13 AM   #11
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I think Warfield ended up okay. Especially out of a 7th round pick.
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:24 AM   #12
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Unfortunately, Reggie Tongue was the better S between him and Woods. They needed each other, and when they split, both of them slipped...

No doubt, I remember when they let Reggie go, I thought "what a big mistake". I guess they though they would just plug someone in back there with Jerome and he'd be just fine.
What a drag...
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:31 AM   #13
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If the Chiefs don't land a FS in the draft I would like to see Bartee given the chance to challenge Wesley for the spot.
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