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Old 04-28-2006, 05:19 AM  
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This whole illegal immigration hysteria is actually something else...

orchestrated 'race terror.' I think it's displaced anger that had been directed at Muslims and Arabs now being redirected to Hispanics. Think about it, the whole conquer the ME hasn't worked out so well so that frustration and disgust needs to go SOMEWHERE. Not only does the renewed focus on immigration divert attention and resources from the debacle in the ME, see reallocating $ from the WOT to immigration, it provides a nice outlet for many people's racist tendencies. What better way to stoke American sentiment than to have a war (unspoken but inferred) on illegal immigraton when under attack?

The tone and increase of anti-immigration talk, the violence, and racist language being directed towards Hispanics is almost exactly that of the immediate post 9/11 period. And with the drummed up fear and blame that is being directed towards IAs, it's no wonder that people with a tendency to harbor racist beliefs would seize the opportunity to express them in a renewed 'crisis.'

This along with the desire to break up any type of non-white power base in this country (ie, try to turn African Americans against Hispanics) is a nice way to ensure that same forces that are in play during this 'crisis' stay in play to ensure other such 'crisis.' Is it any wonder that lately when a Republican is in office illegal immigration is at a crisis juncture...coinky dinky?
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Well if that’s the case, I believe you can thank your whinny lib friends for lead’n the charge. Haven’t they been the ones campaign’n on “Border Security”.
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Old 04-28-2006, 07:58 AM   #4
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The editiorial collective VDARE.COM has a lot of interesting commentary and analysis on the immigration issue. Here's an example:

http://www.vdare.com/

http://www.vdare.com/bevens/060422_minutemen.htm
April 22, 2006


My Night With The Minutemen





By Bryanna Bevens




There has been so much chatter in the MSM about the Minutemen that I just had to ask:*


Who are these Minutemen and what do they do?


For answers to these questions, I headed to the California border with Mexico, where the men and women of the California Minutemen Project are patrolling for the month of April.


We were near Boulevard, in the eastern part of San Diego County. The border there is a rocky, treacherous terrain spotted with vicious cacti that I unfortunately did not notice until I bumped into them...yeah, good times...sigh.


The fence was a joke, by the way. Meaning there really wasn't one


I spent a Saturday night with the Minutemen because that is reportedly the best time to see the action.


Let me tell you a little bit about these marvelous people:


Eric, now in his 80s, fought at the Battle of the Bulge.* He was wounded, captured and held as a prisoner of war for four and a half months.



Rick, standing next to him, served in the Vietnam War.


When his tour was up, Rick returned to California where he established several successful businesses, served on his local school board and mowed the lawns for free—just because somebody needed to. (Charming as the day is long, he reminds me of Forrest Gump without the low IQ or the obsession with Jen-nay.)


Steve, a proud U.S. citizen and immigrant from Brighton, England. In 1979, Steve left England armed with a 6 month Visa to work for a bank in Manhattan which later sponsored him for a Green Card.


When Steve married an American woman, there were a handful of cynics who accused him of only seeking *citizenship via matrimony…so Steve flat refused to apply for a visa through his new bride.


A software engineer, he moved to Dayton, Ohio and waited eight years for his citizenship to come through.


“I love this country…I love this country more than most who were born here” he told me. “That’s why I’m out here—I can’t stand what’s happening to America.”


Other volunteers were school teachers, businessmen, doctors and scientists…a famous scientist in particular.


Johan V. Hultin…you may have heard of him.


He recovered specimens from the 1918 Spanish flu which will now be used to create a vaccine for the Avian Flu.* [More info here]


Yeah…sounds like a real vigilante.


And one of my favorites…


C. Frederick Braun, a writer with several published works to his credit including Two Seconds and Border War.


Now these men are volunteer Minutemen—great Americans and beloved war heroes.


To be fair, there have been myriad stories generated by the MSM about the paramilitary-style of the Minutemen Corps.*


Not to mention the images the MSM just love to publish! *For example: if there is a Confederate flag within a 50-mile radius of the Minuteman camp that will be the footage the MSM focuses on with some ghastly headline such as Neo-Nazi Border Patrol blah, blah, blah…


I suppose it could be difficult for the average American to ascertain the truth when the story is told almost entirely from the (ahem!) not-so-objective perspective of say, CNN.


Tim Donnelly is President of the California Minutemen. He was kind enough to open up the camp to me and show me the ropes.


In his day job, Tim is a successful businessman. He volunteered to organize the California Minutemen because, once again, somebody needed to do it.


Tim’s wife, the mother of his five sons, is Filipino.* Her father spent 12 years separated from his family in order to immigrate legally to the U.S.


As Tim explained it “He says that was the price he paid to give his family a better life in America.”


Unlike the MSM, I didn’t see a single Neo-Nazi—or anything even in that ballpark.*


On the contrary, when one member arrived for duty wearing full camouflage, Tim instructed him to change clothes—full camouflage or military-esque appearances are forbidden by Minuteman standard operating procedure.


Another Minuteman, Carl, had the dubious honor of guiding me up a hill to a main look-out point…


The path was littered with “booties” and garbage left by smugglers and their party.* Booties are strips of fabric that illegal aliens tie around the feet to conceal their footprints from immigration authorities.


Carl shared a couple of recent events with me.


A few nights before I arrived, a group of four Arab men snuck across the border and walked right through the Minuteman camp, apparently unaware of its location.*


Yes, four Arab men.


(Caution: next part contains graphic material).


Carl also told me about a particularly horrifying event from the previous week. He and the men with him heard the screams of a woman piercing the quiet of the night. The screams came from the Mexican side of the border, some distance from where Carl stood.*


A woman was being raped by a hired coyote who had brought her within site of the American border and then demanded more money.


She couldn’t pay, so he raped her—they later found her panties tied to the border fence as a trophy and a warning to other women who can’t cough up more money.


The Minutemen never found out what finally became of her.


The look on Carl’s face made clear how frustrated he was that he was powerless to help—the Minutemen cannot cross the border…that would be illegal entry into Mexico, a serious crime in Mexican law!


Within an hour of my arrival, one patrol group radioed back to camp that twenty people were spotted hiding on the side of a hill just on the other side of the U.S. border. They were clearly waiting for the opportunity to cross the border undetected.


The U.S. Border Patrol was notified. Then the Minutemen just set up camp on the U.S. side of the border directly across from the border crossers and watched them—nothing more.


Border Patrol, of course, cannot approach anyone unless they actually cross the border. So would-be illegal aliens usually just wait for the Patrol to leave.


By the early hours of the next morning, the twenty would-be illegal aliens had grown frustrated with the Minutemen, whom they had now determined were not U.S. Border Patrol.


They began to hurl rocks at the Minutemen, hoping to run them off…yeah, not a chance.


After hours of what can only be called (ironically) a Mexican Standoff, this group of 20 left the area and retreated back into Mexico.


Tim later emailed me the weekend’s numbers:


This relatively small Minuteman camp had spotted 114 such people. According to Tim,


“40 have been apprehended; 33 TBS (turned back south) and the rest are heading to a Home Depot, a school, a peaceful, pro-American rally, or a neighborhood near you.”***


So who are the Minutemen?


President Bush and various Members of Congress have called them vigilantes.


After getting to know the men and women of the California Minutemen Project, I have a response for our illustrious leaders:


How dare you—you are unfit to represent this nation in any capacity!


Our government tells us that illegal aliens are just doing the job Americans won’t do. Well…


The Minutemen are just doing the job our government won’t do:


Defending America!


Bryanna Bevens is a political consultant and former chief of staff for a member of the California State Assembly.
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Old 04-28-2006, 08:02 AM   #5
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Here's a vdare.com contribution from a few days after 9/11.
http://www.vdare.com/pb/wtc.htm
The Role of VDARE.COM After 9/ll: It's The Immigration, Stupid


By Peter Brimelow


I was being interviewed in the Bloomberg studios on the first day of the publicity tour for my notorious book Alien Nation: Common Sense About America’s Immigration Disaster when news of the last great terrorist attack, the Oklahoma City bombing, began to flare across the TV monitors.


For a couple of days thereafter, the fear in the eyes of my immigration enthusiast debating opponents was stark. They already knew, after their disastrous defeat in California’s Proposition 187 the previous year, that their position had no support whatever in the country at large. Now they were afraid that a popular backlash would rout their elite enforcers.


In the event, of course, the government arrested a native-born American, Tim McVeigh. The elite proclaimed that white militias and “hate radio” talkshow hosts were to blame. Our book tour became a nightmare of cancelled TV appearances and aborted print stories. Under the circumstances, it is testimony to the underlying power of the immigration issue that we garnered the ultimately rather large*volume of publicity that we did. Naturally, I have always wondered: what if the perpetrators really had been Arabs?


Well, now the perpetrators – it seems safe to say – really are Arabs. And guess what? Once again, the immigration issue, which was building up nicely has vanished from the establishment media. (But not, however, from talk radio and the internet, bless their little electrons.)


It’s almost as if our leaders don’t want to talk about immigration.


Funny thing.


Yet, to paraphrase the famous slogan of the 1992 Clinton election campaign, “it’s the immigration, stupid.” It is immigration policy that has imported foreign ethnic conflicts, created impenetrable ethnic enclaves and mafias, diluted vetting procedures to the point where mass murderers can learn their skills here on student visas, overwhelmed the law enforcement agencies and – we will almost certainly learn – reduced the citizenship oath to a sick joke.


As with the immigration restriction of the 1920s, it may be immigrant terror attacks that finally frighten the cheap-labor business lobby into patriotism.


Of course, there is a foreign policy dimension to the September 11 attacks. Reasonable men can disagree about it. John Derbyshire, who wrote most recently for us on how nice countries get illegal immigrants, has argued that the Islamists’ antagonism to the West is implacable*and must be fought to a finish. Sam Francis, a leading immigration reform thinker whose syndicated column we always run because it appears to have been a victim of political correctness on establishment “conservative” sites, points out that the U.S. has, perhaps carelessly, done much to stir up this antagonism abroad.* Paul Craig Roberts endorses retaliation but argues that U.S. policies at home, such as immigration, have prepared the way for terrorism.


VDARE.com is not a full-service webzine. We focus on immigration and the National Question because we believe they are no longer covered in the establishment media, liberal or “conservative”. *Generally, we think that revenge is a dish best eaten cold. But we don’t intend to get into the foreign policy debate - except to say that we favor as much American victory as possible.


We are here to point out that, unlike chasing alleged terrorist leaders around Afghanistan with airborne missiles, immigration policy actually offers concrete ways in which America can be defended. The borders can be sealed. Illegals can be expelled. Alien enclaves can be assimilated. And the mounting destabilization of America’s political order*can be stopped - even reversed.


Only a few commentators, like the redoubtable Tom Sowell,*have recognized this immigration dimension. It is our job to hammer home the simple message:


IT’S THE IMMIGRATION, STUPID!


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Old 04-28-2006, 08:05 AM   #6
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The United States Conference on Catholic Bishops supports the Justice for Immigrants Campaign. Here's a link to the USCCB's webpage on that issue.

http://www.usccb.org/mrs/index043006.shtml

Justice for Immigrants Campaign


The USCCB, along with a number of Catholic organizations, is actively participating in the Justice for Immigrants Campaign, which is designed to promote positive attitudes toward immigrants and achieve needed reforms in our nation’s immigration system.

The Catholic Church in the United States traces her roots to the immigrant experience, with many of the social institutions of the Church, such as schools, hospitals, and social services agencies, having been created largely in response to the needs of immigrants who came to our nation in earlier times.

In recent pastoral letters issued by the bishops of the United States, including Welcoming the Stranger Among Us: Unity in Diversity and Strangers No Longer: Together on the Journey of Hope, Catholics are called to be a welcoming people and to find ways to carry out the Gospel mandate to “welcome the stranger” among us.

To learn more about these activities, please visit www.justiceforimmigrants.org.
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Old 04-28-2006, 08:11 AM   #7
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Heres are 5 principles enumerated in the U.S. Catholic Bishops Pastoral Letter, "Strangers no Longer: Together on the Journey of Hope" (22 January 2003):

http://www.usccb.org/mrs/stranger.shtml

I. Persons have the right to find opportunities in their homeland.
34. All persons have the right to find in their own countries the economic, political, and social opportunities to live in dignity and achieve a full life through the use of their God-given gifts. In this context, work that provides a just, living wage is a basic human need.

II. Persons have the right to migrate to support themselves and their families.
35. The Church recognizes that all the goods of the earth belong to all people.15 When persons cannot find employment in their country of origin to support themselves and their families, they have a right to find work elsewhere in order to survive. Sovereign nations should provide ways to accommodate this right.

III. Sovereign nations have the right to control their borders.
36. The Church recognizes the right of sovereign nations to control their territories but rejects such control when it is exerted merely for the purpose of acquiring additional wealth. More powerful economic nations, which have the ability to protect and feed their residents, have a stronger obligation to accommodate migration flows.

IV. Refugees and asylum seekers should be afforded protection.
37. Those who flee wars and persecution should be protected by the global community. This requires, at a minimum, that migrants have a right to claim refugee status without incarceration and to have their claims fully considered by a competent authority.

V. The human dignity and human rights of undocumented migrants should be respected.
38. Regardless of their legal status, migrants, like all persons, possess inherent human dignity that should be respected. Often they are subject to punitive laws and harsh treatment from enforcement officers from both receiving and transit countries. Government policies that respect the basic human rights of the undocumented are necessary.
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Old 04-28-2006, 08:43 AM   #8
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:01 AM   #9
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It's different things to different people. There are a lot of racists who are just being racists... but I'd say for the most part its people being naturally selfish (I don't mean that as an insult).

As American's we view being American, being in America and enjoying the benefits of being American... we view those things as "ours".... followed by a "go get your own" mentality.

I'm the same way at times.

Another layer to this is the "why should they not have to follow the laws?" attitude. What makes them special? And if things were ideal, this approach is 100% correct. Unfortunately our system is flawed, and has been for decades.

And last but not least, it's about border security. After 9/11 we really needed to strengthen our borders. A more inclusive immigration policy (guest workers, etc) will push most people though the legal borders and leave the remaining border jumpers to the drug runners and other criminals. It makes the Border Patrol's job MUCH easier.

All in all, I think that most people aren't acting out of racism, but some combination of the latter I described.
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So by pushing for a policy that would give amnesty to IA's, President Bush is a racist?
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Here's an AP story on how Mexico treats undocumented migrants to their country.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/...E0BHNlYwN0bWE-

Mexico Harsh to Undocumented Migrants By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer
Tue Apr 18, 6:08 PM ET

Considered felons by the government, these migrants fear detention, rape and robbery. Police and soldiers hunt them down at railroads, bus stations and fleabag hotels. Sometimes they are deported; more often officers simply take their money.

While migrants in the United States have held huge demonstrations in recent weeks, the hundreds of thousands of undocumented Central Americans in Mexico suffer mostly in silence.

And though Mexico demands humane treatment for its citizens who migrate to the U.S., regardless of their legal status, Mexico provides few protections for migrants on its own soil. The issue simply isn't on the country's political agenda, perhaps because migrants make up only 0.5 percent of the population, or about 500,000 people — compared with 12 percent in the United States.

The level of brutality Central American migrants face in Mexico was apparent Monday, when police conducting a raid for undocumented migrants near a rail yard outside Mexico City shot to death a local man, apparently because his dark skin and work clothes made officers think he was a migrant.

Virginia Sanchez, who lives near the railroad tracks that carry Central Americans north to the U.S. border, said such shootings in Tultitlan are common.

"At night, you hear the gunshots, and it's the judiciales (state police) chasing the migrants," she said. "It's not fair to kill these people. It's not fair in the United States and it's not fair here."

Undocumented Central American migrants complain much more about how they are treated by Mexican officials than about authorities on the U.S. side of the border, where migrants may resent being caught but often praise the professionalism of the agents scouring the desert for their trail.

"If you're carrying any money, they take it from you — federal, state, local police, all of them," said Carlos Lopez, a 28-year-old farmhand from Guatemala crouching in a field near the tracks in Tultitlan, waiting to climb onto a northbound freight train.

Lopez said he had been shaken down repeatedly in 15 days of traveling through Mexico.

"The soldiers were there as soon as we crossed the river," he said. "They said, 'You can't cross ... unless you leave something for us.'"

Jose Ramos, 18, of El Salvador, said the extortion occurs at every stop in Mexico, until migrants are left penniless and begging for food.

"If you're on a bus, they pull you off and search your pockets and if you have any money, they keep it and say, 'Get out of here,'" Ramos said.

Maria Elena Gonzalez, who lives near the tracks, said female migrants often complain about abusive police.

"They force them to strip, supposedly to search them, but the purpose is to sexually abuse them," she said.

Others said they had seen migrants beaten to death by police, their bodies left near the railway tracks to make it look as if they had fallen from a train.

The Mexican government acknowledges that many federal, state and local officials are on the take from the people-smugglers who move hundreds of thousands of Central Americans north, and that migrants are particularly vulnerable to abuse by corrupt police.

The National Human Rights Commission, a government-funded agency, documented the abuses south of the U.S. border in a December report.

"One of the saddest national failings on immigration issues is the contradiction in demanding that the North respect migrants' rights, which we are not capable of guaranteeing in the South," commission president Jose Luis Soberanes said.

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So by pushing for a policy that would give amnesty to IA's, President Bush is a racist?
I missed the announcement that he's infact doint this. Please provide a link.
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Here's an AP story on how Mexico treats undocumented migrants to their country.
Human rights are not a big priority in the country to begin with...

thus, the story doesn't shock me. Not to mention that the US has a rather storied history of violating human rights of illegal immigrants as well.
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Human rights are not a big priority in the country to begin with...

thus, the story doesn't shock me. Not to mention that the US has a rather storied history of violating human rights of illegal immigrants as well.
Not as bad as they had concerning the rights of the first inhabitants.

We're all illegal immigrants.
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