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Old 05-06-2006, 01:18 AM  
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To combat low numbers, Bush ups the rhetoric... Now calling terror fight "WWIII"

Bush says fight against terror is 'World War III'
May 05 6:07 PM US/Eastern

US President George W. Bush said the September 11 revolt of passengers against their hijackers on board Flight 93 had struck the first blow of "World War III."

In an interview with the financial news network CNBC, Bush said he had yet to see the recently released film of the uprising, a dramatic portrayal of events on the United Airlines plane before it crashed in a Pennsylvania field.

But he said he agreed with the description of David Beamer, whose son Todd died in the crash, who in a Wall Street Journal commentary last month called it "our first successful counter-attack in our homeland in this new global war -- World War III".

Bush said: "I believe that. I believe that it was the first counter-attack to World War III.

"It was, it was unbelievably heroic of those folks on the airplane to recognize the danger and save lives," he said.

Flight 93 crashed on the morning of September 11, 2001, killing the 33 passengers, seven crew members and four hijackers, after passengers stormed the cockpit and battled the hijackers for control of the aircraft.

The president has repeatedly praised the heroism of the passengers in fighting back and so launching the first blow of what he usually calls the "war on terror".

In 2002, then-White House spokesman Ari Fleischer explicitly declined to call the hunt for Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda group and its followers "World War III."

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/0....qnjzncm8.html
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Old 05-06-2006, 01:19 AM   #2
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It's a dramatic jump to go from "sectarian violence" to full on World War III. Talk about a mach jump in rhetoric. We passed by "civil war" at the speed of light!
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Old 05-06-2006, 02:54 AM   #3
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Too bad he descided to quit the fight to win "World War III" and decided to get all Cowboy with our Soldiers' lives by starting "Iraq War II" instead.

Had he stuck to his WWIII, he'd have Clinton type approval ratings right now.

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Old 05-06-2006, 06:31 AM   #4
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So...what kind of odds are we looking at for Fox News to adopt this label? Due to Bush's extremely low approval ratings, I think it's gotta be fairly long. 4-1, 5-1? If he had 70% approval, I think it'd be a sure thing.
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Old 05-06-2006, 07:37 AM   #5
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I bet we see WWIV by June.
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Old 05-06-2006, 11:06 AM   #6
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I bet we see WWIV by June.
Nope.
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"From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August."
They will wait until closer to the election before playing the "be afraid, be afraid!" card again.

I expect the drumbeat of hype to reach a high around late September, as they attempt a replay of the 2002 "roll-out' of fear mongering.

2:1 Rumsfeld states something along the lines of "We know where the WMD's are...they are somewhere N,S,E, or W of Tehran."

FWIW- We already fought WWIII. It's also called "The Cold War". So technically, Bush is already one war off.

I figure in a few generations, the 20th century and WW 1,2, and 3 will all be viewed as we now view the "100 years war". The fundamental character of the war remained the same, i.e. Totalitarian nation-states vs. Democratic nation-states. Some of the players changed sides depending on what round it was, but the basic struggle remained about the same, IMO.
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Old 05-06-2006, 11:16 AM   #7
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It's a dramatic jump to go from "sectarian violence" to full on World War III. Talk about a mach jump in rhetoric. We passed by "civil war" at the speed of light!
He's only saying the War on Terror is WWIII. Sectarian violence & civil war are terminologies applied to the Iraqmire conflict. Unless they can somehow finally manage to tie Osama to Sodom, they ain't the same war.
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Old 05-06-2006, 11:22 AM   #8
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He's only saying the War on Terror is WWIII. Sectarian violence & civil war are terminologies applied to the Iraqmire conflict. Unless they can somehow finally manage to tie Osama to Sodom, they ain't the same war.
OOOH OOOH!!!1!, BUT THERES THAT ONE GHUY THAT THEY MIGTVE MET IN PRAG EVEN THOUGH PRAG SAYS TEH DIDN'T, AND THEN HE WAS HANGIN WITH SOME KURDS IN THE NORTH AND GOT THAT HOPSITAL OPPERATION IN BAGDAD AND STUFF!1!!
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Old 05-06-2006, 11:30 AM   #9
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OOOH OOOH!!!1!, BUT THERES THAT ONE GHUY THAT THEY MIGTVE MET IN PRAG EVEN THOUGH PRAG SAYS TEH DIDN'T, AND THEN HE WAS HANGIN WITH SOME KURDS IN THE NORTH AND GOT THAT HOPSITAL OPPERATION IN BAGDAD AND STUFF!1!!
Sorry - my bad. Hey.... you think there's any chance of us trying Sodom for 9/11 now that he's in custody?
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Old 05-06-2006, 11:52 AM   #10
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Sorry - my bad. Hey.... you think there's any chance of us trying Sodom for 9/11 now that he's in custody?
As long as we do it in secret without impartial magistrates or allow him to have a defense attorney I don't see why not.
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Old 05-06-2006, 02:36 PM   #11
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Sorry - my bad. Hey.... you think there's any chance of us trying Sodom for 9/11 now that he's in custody?
Considering we have had the principal architect of the attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, in custody since March 2003 and haven't bothered to try him I would seriously doubt it.

I suspect if we ever do, we will hear something about a trial around Aug. or Sep. 2006 or 2008.
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Old 05-06-2006, 03:25 PM   #12
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Considering we have had the principal architect of the attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, in custody since March 2003 and haven't bothered to try him I would seriously doubt it.

I suspect if we ever do, we will hear something about a trial around Aug. or Sep. 2006 or 2008.
The info I have, and my sources so far have been correct about this stuff, is that the US doesn't really want a SH trial as it may just expose our own crimes along with his.
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Old 05-06-2006, 09:03 PM   #13
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I bet we see WWIV by June.
It's already been done. Here is a Norman Podhoretz essay from September 2004. He counts the cold war as WWIII so this war is WWIV:


World War IV: How It Started, What It Means, and Why We Have to Win

This past spring, when it seemed that everything that could go wrong in Iraq was going wrong, a plague of amnesia began sweeping through the country. Caught up in the particulars with which we were being assaulted 24 hours a day, we seemed to have lost sight of the context in which such details could be measured and understood and related to one another. Small things became large, large things became invisible, and hysteria filled the air.

Since then, of course, and especially after the hand over of authority on June 30 to an interim Iraqi government, matters have become more complicated. But the relentless pressure of events, and the continuing onslaught both of details and of their often tendentious or partisan interpretation, have hardly let up at all. It is for this reason that, in what follows, I have tried to step back from the daily barrage and to piece together the story of what this nation has been fighting to accomplish since September 11, 2001.

In doing this, I have drawn freely from my own past writings on the subject, and especially from three articles that appeared in these pages two or more years ago.1 In some instances, I have woven sections of these articles into a new setting; other passages I have adapted and updated.

Telling the story properly has required more than a straight narrative leading from 9/11 to the time of writing. For one thing, I have had to interrupt the narrative repeatedly in order to confront and clear away the many misconceptions, distortions, and outright falsifications that have been perpetrated. In addition, I have had to broaden the perspective so as to make it possible to see why the great struggle into which the United States was plunged by 9/11 can only be understood if we think of it as World War IV.

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Old 05-06-2006, 09:16 PM   #14
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I'm unaware of the "EVEN THOUGH PRAG SAYS TEH DIDN'T" part. What are you talking about? My understanding is that they still believe the meeting took place but that our own intelligence services question it because they can't find any evidence that Atta left the US to go to Prague.
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Old 05-06-2006, 11:26 PM   #15
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I'm unaware of the "EVEN THOUGH PRAG SAYS TEH DIDN'T" part. What are you talking about? My understanding is that they still believe the meeting took place but that our own intelligence services question it because they can't find any evidence that Atta left the US to go to Prague.
I don't remember where it was at, but I read a transcript a couple years ago of an interview with the two Czech policemen, or army officer, or whatever they were, that had attempted to listen in on the conversation that took place during that meeting. I don't remember all the specifics, but I do remember that they were fairly unsure of exactly who was involved in the meeting, that they had information that Atta "might" be in Prague, but they were assigned only to try to find out what the Iraqi delegation was up to in Prague, that they didn't actually know if Atta was even involved in that meeting, only that he might be somewhere in the same city, and they were unable to get close enough to determine what was actually discussed in the meeting. Shortly after that, an Israeli newspaper took up the story, offering a lot of theories and maybes, but nothing of hard substance. Then some folks in the US took the ball from the Israeli article and started adding to the theories, but again, nothing of hard substance. The whole story is basically one gigantic game of "telephone line."
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