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Old 05-10-2006, 09:24 AM  
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Does the United States of America have an obligation to spread democracy?

Through economic, maybe military means? What are your thoughts?
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:28 AM   #2
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Someone has a paper to write!
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:35 AM   #3
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Someone has a paper to write!
No, jAZ. I would expect you to be one of the last to start off saying that.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:37 AM   #4
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Only if they're serious about it. Half-assing it only causes strife in the world. If we're only going to spread democracy to countries that are rich in resources, while we leave oppressed countries to squalor, then we're not really spreading Democracy... we're colonizing... we're spreading America.

If we're going to participate in worldwide organizations like the UN that give nation states a democratic vote that don't provide their own citizens with the same liberty to vote for their own leadership, then we're part of the problem.

I'm of the opinion that we should pull out of the UN and start the United League of Democratic Nations that works towards true democratization, and avoids colonization.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:39 AM   #5
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No, the US has no right, nor obligation to spread its way of life to other cultures.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:43 AM   #6
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No, jAZ. I would expect you to be one of the last to start off saying that.
Maybe I'm wrong, but haven't we seen a pattern of these sort of out of the blue (yet very specfic and quite academic sounding) questions being tied to projects/papers/exams in the past?

Not trying to insult you with the observation, but with it being May (end of the semester) and all, it made a ton of sense.

You have to admit, you aren't a regular with a history of posting such questions once a week, or anything.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:43 AM   #7
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I think our obligation is to provide freedoms that are regarded generally as universal rights.

But if someone wants to organize themselves as a kingdom on the other side of the planet, I don't think we should stick our noses in so long as the kingdom has respect for human rights.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:49 AM   #8
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Maybe I'm wrong, but haven't we seen a pattern of these sort of out of the blue (yet very specfic and quite academic sounding) questions being tied to projects/papers/exams in the past?

Not trying to insult you with the observation, but with it being May (end of the semester) and all, it made a ton of sense.

You have to admit, you aren't a regular with a history of posting such questions once a week, or anything.
Tied to my projects/papers/exams? No. If something in class discussion comes up, I often take it over here. But I don't use people's ideas/posts for my own assignments. Besides, teachers can use google to see if things like that are happening.

No, I'm just thinking after a great European History class where we discussed invading Iran with ground forces and how much morality is involved with war.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:55 AM   #9
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Tied to my projects/papers/exams? No. If something in class discussion comes up, I often take it over here. But I don't use people's ideas/posts for my own assignments. Besides, teachers can use google to see if things like that are happening.

No, I'm just thinking after a great European History class where we discussed invading Iran with ground forces and how much morality is involved with war.
I don't know that it would be unethical to discuss the topic here and then write a paper. I don't know what the difference would be between that and a class discussion prior to writing the paper.

You would still need to forumulate your thoughts based on everyones opinions and actually write the paper yourself. Plagerizing from here would be offlimits much like anywhere else, but the web just makes sharing of information and opinions that much easier.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:56 AM   #10
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BTW, on topic, IMO we have no obligation to do anything. But we might feel it's in our own best interest to do so. Though, it must be done selectively and in the right way in order to be justified.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:56 AM   #11
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Well, either way, there is no paper, it's just discussion.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:58 AM   #12
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Well, either way, there is no paper, it's just discussion.
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Old 05-10-2006, 10:01 AM   #13
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Tied to my projects/papers/exams? No. If something in class discussion comes up, I often take it over here. But I don't use people's ideas/posts for my own assignments. Besides, teachers can use google to see if things like that are happening.
There's nothing wrong with using someone else's ideas as long as you cite the source. There's also nothing wrong with asking people to point you to other primary or secondary sources as that's just like using a bibliography from someone else's work to find more research material.
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Old 05-10-2006, 10:13 AM   #14
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I haven't thought to much about this, it's just a bunch of thoughts mixed together, but here it goes.

Years from now, maybe a hundred, maybe a thousand, maybe more, this country might no longer exist. We will be a long, well-studied chapter in history.
The world has evolved since the dawn of man. It is evolving at this second and it will continue to evolve thousands of years from now.
America is in a position now where we can promote the evolution to freedom, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. These are ideals we can choose to promote, or we can choose not to. I believe it is for the good of the human race to promote those ideas.
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Old 05-10-2006, 10:19 AM   #15
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Absolutely not because democracy does not = freedom.

#1 Democracy is not the best form of govt--especially if the people are nuts. They are contentious, short-lived and result in public plunder of the treasury as well as other people's property.

#2 Even our system, a representative republic with limits on it by a written constitution, is not always better if the people are nuts (election of Hitler)

#3 Contrary to popular opinion, democracies do not necessarily ever refrain from attacks one others with force

Shoving our way down another country's throat, with military force, just antagonizes people. Cultures differ. That includes whether it's done in a half-assed manner or not. It's none of our business unless we're attacked!

Ideas are more powerful than bullets. Commercial relations, discourse with one another and technology making the world closer will allow for more freedom in other nations, eventually.

...and America is a "republic....if you can keep it." -- BEN FRANKLIN
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