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Old 05-11-2006, 02:59 PM  
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Dean: We Oppose Gay Marriage Too

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...300.shtml?s=lhThursday, May 11, 2006 9:40 a.m. EDT Dean: We Oppose Gay Marriage Too
Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean has angered supporters in the gay and lesbian community by stating that his party opposes gay marriage. Appearing on the Christian Broadcasting Network’s program "The 700 Club” on Wednesday, Dean declared: "The Democratic Party platform from 2004 says that marriage is between a man and a woman. That's what it says. I think where we may take exception with some religious leaders is that we believe in inclusion, that everybody deserves to live with dignity and respect, and that equal rights under the law are important.” Dean, however, "misrepresented” the party platform, according to the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, which has returned a $5,000 contribution from the Democratic Party in a protest over Dean’s remarks. According to the blog PageOneQ, the Democratic Party’s actual platform reads: "We support full inclusion of gay and lesbian families in the life of our nation and seek equal responsibilities, benefits and protection for these families. In our country, marriage has been defined at the state level for 200 years, and we believe it should continue to be defined there. We repudiate President Bush’s divisive effort to politicize the Constitution by pursuing a ‘Federal Marriage Amendment.’” The Task Force’s executive director Matt Foreman said in a statement: "Governor Dean is wrong about what the Democratic platform says about marriage equality. Disturbingly, this is not the first time he has misrepresented this important and affirming plank, and he has been asked before to correct the record and to cease making these misleading statements.” In an effort to drum up support in the Christian community before the 2006 midterm elections, Dean also stated on the show: "One of the misconceptions about the Democratic Party is that we're godless and that we don't have any values. "The truth is, we have an enormous amount in common with the Christian community, and particularly with the evangelical Christian community. "One of the biggest things that Democrats worry about is the materialism of our country, what's on television that our kids are seeing, and the lack of spirituality. And that's something we have in common." Dean even tried to downplay the Democratic Party’s traditional strong pro-choice stance, saying: "I think what we have in common with the evangelical community is that we ought to have a lot fewer abortions than we do. The abortions have actually gone up in the last few years. We should have far fewer abortions ... we ought to make sure that there's not just abstinence, but family planning used to get rid of abortion, and that is something that we share.” Asked if it is important for Democrats to tap into the evangelical community to win in 2006, he responded: "I think it's important, and I think it's a good idea for the Democratic Party.” But if Dean’s comments were designed to garner support from evangelicals, they no doubt alienated many in the gay and lesbian community. In his statement, Foreman said: "Governor Dean’s record on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues since becoming DNC chair has been sorely and sadly lacking. "In light of Governor Dean’s pandering and insulting interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network, we have decided to return the DNC’s recent $5,000 contribution to us.”
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Old 05-11-2006, 09:48 PM   #2
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I figured that this would be a thread that got no response cause it's not talking about Bush being da debil.

Looks like Kotter and that guy with a bomb in his turban proved me wrong.
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:30 PM   #5
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I figured that this would be a thread that got no response cause it's not talking about Bush being da debil.

Looks like Kotter and that guy with a bomb in his turban proved me wrong.
Were you under the mistaken impression that this board is chock full of Dean supporters? I suppose your OP is worth responding to if you either love Dean or hate him. But for those of us who couldn't give two shits less about him, it wasn't worth commenting on.
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:33 PM   #6
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What's news worthy about Dean referencing the Dems 2004 party platform? And why should there be a good deal of feedback on thread covering a 2+ year old topic?

I have to say, this doesn't reflect well on the quality of Newsmax to be able to rush the latest news stories to our attention.
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:41 PM   #7
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What's news worthy about Dean referencing the Dems 2004 party platform? And why should there be a good deal of feedback on thread covering a 2+ year old topic?

I have to say, this doesn't reflect well on the quality of Newsmax to be able to rush the latest news stories to our attention.
Dean was the one who brought the subject back up. He was trying to appeal to Christian groups by lying about the Democrat's stance on marriage (brilliant strategy btw). The Democratic base called him on it, so he had to backtrack. Stupid mistake.
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:46 PM   #8
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Dean was the one who brought the subject back up. He was trying to appeal to Christian groups by lying about the Democrat's stance on marriage (brilliant strategy btw). The Democratic base called him on it, so he had to backtrack. Stupid mistake.
Did he lie about it? He claimed that it was how it read in 2004, and the Gay/Lesbian group countered with text from how it supposedly reads in 2006. Has the statement changed over the past two years? Does anyone know? I don't feel like googling for it?
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:49 PM   #9
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Did he lie about it? He claimed that it was how it read in 2004, and the Gay/Lesbian group countered with text from how it supposedly reads in 2006. Has the statement changed over the past two years?
I was just going by the first article I found:

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Dean told Christian Broadcasting Network News that the 2004 Democratic platform declares "marriage is between a man and a woman" - just one of the points he made in reaching out to religious conservatives who are largely hostile to the party.

But the platform does not define marriage that way, and his remarks prompted the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force to return a $5,000 donation from the Democratic National Committee.
- http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...rats_Gays.html

Regardless of the word you use to define his "misstatement", he was trying to pander to a group of people I'd rather not have the Democratic party - or any party - pander to.
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Regardless of the word you use to define his "misstatement", he was trying to pander to a group of people I'd rather not have the Democratic party - or any party - pander to.
I agree with you 100% there. I'm just curious whether he was deliberately misrepresenting the current position of the Dem platform, whether he simply misunderstood the position of the platform, or whether the platform actually has changed since 2004.
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Dean was the one who brought the subject back up. He was trying to appeal to Christian groups by lying about the Democrat's stance on marriage (brilliant strategy btw). The Democratic base called him on it, so he had to backtrack. Stupid mistake.
Who's the one lying here? If it was in their party platform, for better or worse, it was in fact "the Democrat's stance" (at least as a party in 2004).

Stupid on his part or not... stupid choice by the party or not, the fact is that it was the platform of the Dem party in 2004.

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Seriously, is Tom bright enough to know the term "acolytes"? Kotter is.
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Regardless of the word you use to define his "misstatement", he was trying to pander to a group of people I'd rather not have the Democratic party - or any party - pander to.
I can agree with that to a limited extent. Some of those people would be satisfied with civil unions for all people (and leaving the concept of marriage for each church or other non gov't institution to defne ans narrowly as they'd like. I'd be open to them joining this party, in a big way.
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heh.
Why are you laughing? You should be applauding. After all, it's your whole mantra that Dems return to "traditional values" before you'll support them again.

Unless you just made that stuff up too...
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