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Old 05-15-2006, 10:44 AM  
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Old 05-15-2006, 10:47 AM   #2
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Level Field’s supporters, nearly all of whom have worked for one of the Big 3 or its suppliers, believe it’s up to you to decide “What’s an American car?”

But if you care about your car company’s contribution to our economy, get the facts.

One way to judge degrees of “made in America” is to look at “domestic content” – the percentage of a car’s parts that were produced in the U.S. and Canada. Automakers report this information to the U.S. government each year. Domestic content varies from brand to brand and vehicle to vehicle.

We believe a more reliable way to judge how much an automaker contributes to the U.S. economy is to look at how many jobs it produces here. (See our scorecards.) However, because so many Americans work for parts suppliers (about 2 to 3 times as many as work for the automakers themselves), domestic content can have a big impact on jobs.

For 2004 cars, domestic automakers (DCX’s Chrysler division, Ford and GM) automobiles contained 80 percent domestic content, while Japanese, European and Korean carmakers used 31, 5 and 3 percent domestic content, respectively. (ATPC)

Data for 2005 remains incomplete. We will post new data once all companies have reported. However, a recent Detroit Free Press article found that the average content of GM, Ford and Chrysler were 81, 82 and 75 percent, respectively. Toyota, Honda and Nissan automobiles contained, on average, 49.9, 58.5 and 48 percent domestic content.
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Old 05-15-2006, 10:49 AM   #3
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We believe a more reliable way to judge how much an automaker contributes to the U.S. economy is to look at how many jobs it produces here.
Translation: "Buy American, because we like our bloated wages and revolting retirement packages! Who cares if our cars suck!?"
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Old 05-15-2006, 10:54 AM   #4
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Now would someone explain to my how Chrystler can be a part of this since it is now pretty much controlled by Daimler, a non US owned company?
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Old 05-15-2006, 10:56 AM   #5
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Now would someone explain to my how Chrystler can be a part of this since it is now pretty much controlled by Daimler, a non US owned company?
it has to do with amount of workers employed in the United States compared to the asians.... and its retirees that are doing this, who were employed in the U.S.
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Old 05-15-2006, 11:43 AM   #6
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One way to judge degrees of “made in America” is to look at “domestic content” – the percentage of a car’s parts that were produced in the U.S. and [b
Canada[/b]. Automakers report this information to the U.S. government each year. Domestic content varies from brand to brand and vehicle to vehicle.
So why does Canada count as part of the domestic US product eh!. Is it because GM/Ford have factories in Windsor etc.

If so why don't Mexican VW Jetta's count. or any subcontracted part built in Mexico?
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Old 05-15-2006, 11:49 AM   #7
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So why does Canada count as part of the domestic US product eh!. Is it because GM/Ford have factories in Windsor etc.

If so why don't Mexican VW Jetta's count. or any subcontracted part built in Mexico?
Canadian and American salaries/benefits are very similar.... Mexican's are not close at all.... canadian workers even have the union on their side... CAW...
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Old 05-15-2006, 11:54 AM   #8
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Canadian and American salaries/benefits are very similar.... Mexican's are not close at all.... canadian workers even have the union on their side... CAW...
And that has what to do with domestic content of the car?
Why not call it what it is 'American/Canadian workers earned money to make/work on the car'

What about the JIT stuff around Maryville Ohio for Honda...I heard those were close to 90% domestic content due to the local subs.
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Old 05-15-2006, 11:57 AM   #9
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it has to do with amount of workers employed in the United States compared to the asians.... and its retirees that are doing this, who were employed in the U.S.


Talk about propaganda...they'll do anything to sell you an inferior car at an inflated price...
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Old 05-15-2006, 11:58 AM   #10
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And that has what to do with domestic content of the car?
Why not call it what it is 'American/Canadian workers earned money to make/work on the car'

What about the JIT stuff around Maryville Ohio for Honda...I heard those were close to 90% domestic content due to the local subs.
i agree with you, they should seperate the content to only made in the United States... since thats what they are lobbying for.....

however they do make it clear that 8 out of 10 workers auto workers in the US work for the big 3
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Old 05-15-2006, 11:59 AM   #11
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Talk about propaganda...they'll do anything to sell you an inferior car at an inflated price...

ahh GM has the lowest prices by far... and the quality is getting much much better
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Old 05-15-2006, 12:00 PM   #12
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ahh GM has the lowest prices by far... and the quality is getting much much better
Lowest prices compared to what?

Explain to me what I could have gotten for $16995...
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Old 05-15-2006, 12:03 PM   #13
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i agree with you, they should seperate the content to only made in the United States... since thats what they are lobbying for.....

however they do make it clear that 8 out of 10 workers auto workers in the US work for the big 3
If you buy a japanese car you can help a japanese guy out AND you get a quality car.
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Old 05-15-2006, 12:06 PM   #14
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Lowest prices compared to what?

Explain to me what I could have gotten for $16995...
compared to any other car maker!

17 grand gets you:

G6
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Cobalt
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Silverado/Sierra 2wd W/T
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Old 05-15-2006, 12:10 PM   #15
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compared to any other car maker!

17 grand gets you:

G6
Vibe
HHR
Cobalt
Ion
Malibu
Aveo
Vue
Canyon
Colorado
Silverado/Sierra 2wd W/T
And which one of those cars gets 42 MPG like mine does?

Oh that's right. You've been proven to be an idiot before but you still insist on spamming the board with this BS.
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