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Old 05-17-2006, 10:43 PM  
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Model for "No Child Left Behind" was a farce

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I just stumbled across it while I was googling for GoChief's question about Bush passing algebra. The article is from 2004, so it's a couple years old. It seems that the Houston school district that Bush praised for their low dropout rates and used for his model for "No Child Left Behind," was cooking their books to create those rates.

Here's a snippet, you can find the rest of the article http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/06/60II/main591676.shtml" target="_blank">here.
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And it all came to light when one assistant principal took a close look at his school’s phenomenally low dropout rates – and found that they were just too good to be true.


“I was shocked. I said, ‘How can that be,’” says Robert Kimball, an assistant principal at Sharpstown High School, on Houston’s West Side. His school claimed that no students – not a single one – had dropped out in 2001-2002.

But that’s not what Kimball saw: “I had been at the high school for three years, and I had seen many, many students, several hundred a year, go out the door. And I knew that they were quitting. They told me they were quitting.”


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All in all, 463 kids left Sharpstown High School that year, for a variety of reasons. The school reported zero dropouts, but dozens of the students did just that. School officials hid that fact by classifying, or coding, them as leaving for acceptable reasons: transferring to another school, or returning to their native country.

“That’s how you get to zero dropouts. By assigning codes that say, ‘Well, this student, you know, went to another school. He did this or that.’ And basically, all 463 students disappeared. And the school reported zero dropouts for the year,” says Kimball. “They were not counted as dropouts, so the school had an outstanding record.”

Sharpstown High wasn’t the only “outstanding” school. The Houston school district reported a citywide dropout rate of 1.5 percent. But educators and experts 60 Minutes checked with put Houston’s true dropout rate somewhere between 25 and 50 percent.

“But the teachers didn’t believe it. They knew it was cooking the books. They told me that. Parents told me that,” says Kimball. “The superintendent of schools would make the public believe it was one school. But it is in the system, it is in all of Houston.”
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Old 05-17-2006, 10:48 PM   #2
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That's so shocking! Fraud and baseless rhetoric used to advance the GOP agenda? O! M! G!

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I'm shocked, SHOCKED!,that the "Photo-Op Administration" would stoop to such depths.
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Old 05-17-2006, 11:17 PM   #4
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Well, to be fair, I don't think the admin had anything to do with it, but when it came time to seize a poster opportunity, they sure didn't ask many questions.
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Old 05-17-2006, 11:18 PM   #5
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Wasn't it written with Ted Kennedy too?

Politics, gov't...neither of them can improve education.
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Old 05-17-2006, 11:24 PM   #6
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Wasn't it written with Ted Kennedy too?
Maybe, but did he prop up the Houston school district as the model of how all schools should be?
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Politics, gov't...neither of them can improve education.
Agreed. But I don't think completiely privatizing schools is the answer either. There needs to be some kind of standard preserved, and some authority to oversee it. Otherwise, what's to stop schools from teaching that Creationism is science, or that the Holocaust never happened, or whatever happens to fit the political agenda of whoever happens to be in charge of that particular school. I realize it is already that way to a degree, and that's a problem, but without some kind of central authority to maintain standards, it will be that way to a much greater degree. Of course, that's a whole nother topic.
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Old 05-17-2006, 11:26 PM   #7
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Wasn't it written with Ted Kennedy too?

Politics, gov't...neither of them can improve education.
On a related note...why are people such fans of vouchers? Why would this work any better than Medicare/Medicaid (both essentially voucher systems)?
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Old 05-17-2006, 11:30 PM   #8
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On a related note...why are people such fans of vouchers? Why would this work any better than Medicare/Medicaid (both essentially voucher systems)?
It would help some smaller schools with higher teaching standards, at least in the short term, until they began to get overfilled and the student-teacher ratio became unmanageable to the point that they became a carbon copy of the larger, urban schools that would be hurt by vouchers.
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Screw the model, the bill itself is a giant farce.

But this is kind of funny, and totally unsurprising.
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On a related note...why are people such fans of vouchers? Why would this work any better than Medicare/Medicaid (both essentially voucher systems)?
Who me? I'm no fan of vouchers. Once you strip off the govt newspeak on those you'll see private ed fall under the micro-mgmnt yoke of govt control which will wind up wrecking it. No I want private education to remain free.

But just for the record:
This is one of Bush’s few genuinely bipartisan domestic-policy achievements. Cleared the House by a 381 to 41 margin with more Democratic than Republican votes.

If this is a Bush failure...it also a Democratic one too.
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Who me? I'm no fan of vouchers. Once you strip off the govt newspeak on those you'll see private ed fall under the micro-mgmnt yoke of govt control which will wind up wrecking it. No I want private education to remain free.

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This is one of Bush’s few genuinely bipartisan domestic-policy achievements. Cleared the House by a 381 to 41 margin with more Democratic than Republican votes.

If this is a Bush failure...it also a Democratic one too.
I could care less about the Dem/GOP vote on the bill. I'm highly suspect of easy fixes. And that's what vouchers promise. But until someone explains why they'll be better than Medicare and Medicaid, I think it's BS. Who's a big voucher fan around here? Taco? Someone want to explain this to me?
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Maybe, but did he prop up the Houston school district as the model of how all schools should be?Agreed. But I don't think completiely privatizing schools is the answer either. There needs to be some kind of standard preserved, and some authority to oversee it. Otherwise, what's to stop schools from teaching that Creationism is science, or that the Holocaust never happened, or whatever happens to fit the political agenda of whoever happens to be in charge of that particular school. I realize it is already that way to a degree, and that's a problem, but without some kind of central authority to maintain standards, it will be that way to a much greater degree. Of course, that's a whole nother topic.
(1) Standards? Whose?
(2) Authority? Whose? But yuck I hate authoritarianism.
State control is a more accurate word anyway.
(3) Why does anyone care if someone learns creationism or evolution? Is it really going to affect anyone's life? There will still be those who believe in either one anyway.
(4) Holocaust deniers? How many are there to be concerned about? That's best answered with a free society speaking over their views anyway. I doubt this is a concern at all.
(5)"whatever happens to fit the political agenda of whoever happens to be in charge of that particular school."-- that's happening as we speak BECAUSE it is controlled by govt.
(6) "But without some kind of central authority to maintain standards..." "Central" control? That's the whole basis of what NCLBA is based on...central control. De-centralization was what worked before, when it was at least at the local level controlled by parents. What worked before, will work again. BTW accreditation is also done by private sector, not the govt. Thank Zeus!

Also, it's the central control that has taken the ability of the teacher to teach out of the classroom.


BTW my daughter's school's standards are higher than the public sector's. They're two years ahead of public schools and there are more than an average amount that even get accepted into college by age 16. They chuck most of what the govt says is good to do.

BTW...I don't mind you're not agreeing. That's okay. It's just how someone does. I got no problem with how you disagree,
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Maybe, but did he prop up the Houston school district as the model of how all schools should be?Agreed.
According to that apparently....so agreed!
Typical politician talk to me.
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