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Old 06-20-2006, 02:24 PM  
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Ages of consent

A guy I knew in grad school recently made the news down here for getting busted in a internet sex sting operation for soliticiting sex with a child. He was probably about 40; she was 13. (Couldn't have happened to a more deserving fellow, by the way.) [Don't ask for specifics, the dept. is already embarrassed enough about this guy.]

Now being a libertarian myself, even for me, thirteen seems to be way too young to consent, regardless of the law. I was shocked when I looked up ages of consent...

It is thirteen in Spain and a few other European countries. (Ten in Romania!) I don't get it. These are the same socialist Europeans who think the state must protect their citizens from the evils of "Anglo-Saxon" capitalism, yet don't think 13-year old girls need protection from sexual predators. I don't get it.
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Old 06-20-2006, 02:29 PM   #2
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Old 06-20-2006, 02:29 PM   #3
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A guy I knew in grad school recently made the news down here for getting busted in a internet sex sting operation for soliticiting sex with a child. He was probably about 40; she was 13. (Couldn't have happened to a more deserving fellow, by the way.) [Don't ask for specifics, the dept. is already embarrassed enough about this guy.]

Now being a libertarian myself, even for me, thirteen seems to be way too young to consent, regardless of the law. I was shocked when I looked up ages of consent...

It is thirteen in Spain and a few other European countries. (Ten in Romania!) I don't get it. These are the same socialist Europeans who think the state must protect their citizens from the evils of "Anglo-Saxon" capitalism, yet don't think 13-year old girls need protection from sexual predators. I don't get it.
European politicians must like em young.
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Old 06-20-2006, 02:30 PM   #4
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Old 06-20-2006, 02:34 PM   #5
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So you wouldn't have a problem if some 40-year old dude was doing your thirteen year-old daughter? I don't have a daughter, so I don't know for sure, but my guess is that I wouldn't be too thrilled about it.
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Old 06-20-2006, 02:38 PM   #6
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IMO, there should be a minimum age of maybe 13, then a maximum age disparity (maybe 4 years) until the age of 18. For instance, a 13 yeard old can have sex with a 17 year old, or a 17 year old can have sex with someone as old as 21.

That way, you can protect young kids from the dangers of older people in positions of control, while still being practical about teenagers having sex.
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Old 06-20-2006, 02:42 PM   #7
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IMO, there should be a minimum age of maybe 13, then a maximum age disparity (maybe 4 years) until the age of 18. For instance, a 13 yeard old can have sex with a 17 year old, or a 17 year old can have sex with someone as old as 21.

That way, you can protect young kids from the dangers of older people in positions of control, while still being practical about teenagers having sex.
Actually, I think that is how the law is in many states. As far as I could tell, reading about Europe, they don't make those distinctions.
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Old 06-20-2006, 02:43 PM   #8
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Actually, I think that is how the law is in many states. As far as I could tell, reading about Europe, they don't make those distinctions.
Just one of many reasons why Euros are trash.
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It is thirteen in Spain and a few other European countries. (Ten in Romania!)
If you offer them some candy and they say yes, is that consent? Or is it prostitution?
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Old 06-20-2006, 06:15 PM   #12
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I believe but am not certain they've been lowering the age of consent in Europe downward. I heard there were people in Spain that wanted it lowered to age 12.

At one time girls were married off at age 12 and 13 to men much older, as old as 40 in cases and that was the norm. The men liked them young, as they could have sex for awhile before a girl conceived. I know girls can still conceive at those ages but they thought that. Don't forget people did not live that long either.

Girls, it seems, are developing at younger ages today...as early as 8 years old. Some claim it's the hormones in the meat and dairy products doing this.
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Old 06-20-2006, 06:22 PM   #13
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I could see the age being younger in areas where life expecentcy is less, and there are large areas that need to be farmed and not a lot of technology to do it.

The US isn't in that kind of shape, so the rules are different.
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Old 06-20-2006, 06:46 PM   #15
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I believe but am not certain they've been lowering the age of consent in Europe downward. I heard there were people in Spain that wanted it lowered to age 12.

At one time girls were married off at age 12 and 13 to men much older, as old as 40 in cases and that was the norm. The men liked them young, as they could have sex for awhile before a girl conceived. I know girls can still conceive at those ages but they thought that. Don't forget people did not live that long either.

Girls, it seems, are developing at younger ages today...as early as 8 years old. Some claim it's the hormones in the meat and dairy products doing this.
Given the sheltered upbringing many kids face, do girls (and boys -- the age of homosexual consent is the same age) have the psychologically make-up to be making those decisions at thirteen?

Now perhaps one could argue that there is no real harm done regardless...

I just find it ironic that the same European elites who think that a girl that age is capable of making intelligent decisions regarding consent, think that the adult population is incompetent and need the enlightened bureaucrats to limit freedom to prevent bad decisions. It is inconsistent, to say they least.
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