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Old 06-21-2006, 04:27 PM  
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The Republican-controlled Senate refused Wednesday to raise the minimum wage

If we raise the minimum wage are we only increasing the prevailing wage of the illegal immigrants?

Sounds very democratic to me.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Republican-controlled Senate refused Wednesday to raise the minimum wage, rejecting an election-year proposal from Democrats for the first increase in nearly a decade.


The vote was 52-46, eight short of the 60 needed.


"I don't think the Republicans get it," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy,
D-Massachusetts, who backed a proposal for a three-step increase in the current wage floor to $7.25 an hour. The federal minimum wage has been fixed at $5.15 an hour since 1997.


Republican critics said the minimum wage was a job killer, not the boon to low-wage workers portrayed by Democrats.


"This is a classic debate between two different philosophies. One
philosophy believes in the marketplace, competition and entrepreneurship, and the second is a philosophy that says government knows best," said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Georgia. He said France and Germany have high minimum wages but also high unemployment.


But Kennedy and other advocates of an increase said minimum wage workers have been without a raise since 1997.


Underscoring the political context of the debate, he said if Democrats win the Senate this November, a minimum wage increase will be one of the first pieces of legislation to be considered.
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Old 06-21-2006, 11:15 PM   #136
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Wal-Mart has a huge footprint in Missouri. I think there are two DC's (warehouses) there. That's the starting at $12/hour job I was referring to that would require hard work and clean urine. Within three years you would be making close to $20/hour if you wanted to. I wonder how far you are from one of them?
I'm in Springfield. I can only work at night, though, cause I go to school in the daytime, and the school I go to is really small, and doesn't offer any night classes in my major.

And urine doesn't bother me. I worked at a Taco Bell... that was inside of a gas station. You haven't seen anything till you've seen that.

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Old 06-21-2006, 11:29 PM   #137
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If anyone has been working at a minimum wage job since 1997 and not received a raise, it is because they are a blathering idiot.

What a ridiculous statement.
You obviously have never managed a fast food place. Not giving raises is the standard not unusual in the least.
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Old 06-21-2006, 11:38 PM   #138
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I believe CA minimum was is about 6.75 an hour it has not exactly bankrupted the state nor has it led to out of control inflation. I think this is a strawman by the Republicans.
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Old 06-21-2006, 11:47 PM   #139
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In the US, the minimum wage fell about 29% in real terms between 1979 and 2003.

Since the introduction of a national minimum wage in the UK in 1999, its effects on employment were subject to extensive research and observation by the Low Pay Commission. The bottom line there is, employment has not been reduced, productivity has increased in affected companies (especially service companies),[10] and neither trade unions nor employer organisations contest the minimum wage, although especially the latter had been doing so heavily until 1999.
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Old 06-21-2006, 11:49 PM   #140
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I'm in Springfield. I can only work at night, though, cause I go to school in the daytime, and the school I go to is really small, and doesn't offer any night classes in my major.

And urine doesn't bother me. I worked at a Taco Bell... that was inside of a gas station. You haven't seen anything till you've seen that.

Moooo

Edited to add: I misunderstood. I don't do drugs, no.

DC's have various shifts. you should check it out if there's one anywhere near you.
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Old 06-21-2006, 11:51 PM   #141
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You obviously have never managed a fast food place. Not giving raises is the standard not unusual in the least.

Not true if you work for the actual company instead of a franchise.
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Old 06-22-2006, 12:01 AM   #142
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Why would a Christian nation have a minimum wage?

We don't offer healthcare, just like the Bible instructs.
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Old 06-22-2006, 12:15 AM   #143
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Why would a Christian nation have a minimum wage?

We don't offer healthcare, just like the Bible instructs.
Wow now there is a tangent. Interesting
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Old 06-22-2006, 01:14 AM   #144
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EMPLOYERS won't raise their minimum wage.

Could this expalin our immigration problem?

Naaaaah...
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Old 06-22-2006, 03:42 AM   #145
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How many times do I have to tell you this: 6.5 is going to be taxed at around a 15% rate=a little less than 6/hour

60 percent of 10 is 6/hour.

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Old 06-22-2006, 06:08 AM   #146
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In the US, the minimum wage fell about 29% in real terms between 1979 and 2003.
Yeah, but a lot of people have had their pay cut, lost their jobs and/or work two jobs or more hours...at least in recent past years. So if the market isn't increasing their pay right now why should anyone else's.

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The problem I have with this, is that it does not take into consideration the unseen as it only measures what can be seen. It can never measure the number of jobs never created or that an employer may just have one worker do the work of two instead of creating a new job.
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Old 06-22-2006, 06:32 AM   #147
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Women have no advantage in the corporate world. Like I said, the only place they do is when their body gives them the advantage.

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You're wrong about that.

A capable woman in the corporate world who dedicates her life to her job in the way that many men do has an advantage over an equally capable man.

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Do you think the amount of women you know in the corporate world exceeds that of the men? Cause women are something like 52% of the population, I mean if what you're saying is fully true, then 52% of the corporate world would be women as well...

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Women, as a group, make different life choices than men. It is this disproportionate representation and our society's fixation on that kind of thing that gives competent, career minded women an advantage over men in the corporate world. Most corporations are looking for women to promote to fill their diversity needs. This might not be how it works at the top levels of management, but it's definitely how it works at entry level and middle management in many industries.*


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Old 06-22-2006, 08:10 AM   #148
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THANK YOU for cutting through the crap and saying it how it is. I disagree on your last half, though, as many things are priced out of market for the poorest, cause businesses know instead of appealing to 100% of the market and charging 100%, they can get more for a product by appealing to the top 75% of the market and charging 200%.

Think of what a person who is truely poor can really afford, and you'll see what I mean. Other than food and other small luxuries, there's really nothing they can go for. It sure isn't going to affect the price of Cars or a Cell Phone, or even fast food.

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Yeah, raising the minimum wage is gonna effect the price of Manolo Blahniks, Hermes scarves, and a Krell home theater, but the price of a Big Mac or Chapula Supreme will escape unscathed.
Quite the opposite, the effects of raising the minimum wage can be pretty effectively walled off to the poorest among us.
No more $.99 Whopper Jr. because the minimum wage went up? Fine I'll stop by Whole Foods and pick up some Yuppy organic shit and whip it up tonight. Been meaning to eat healthier anyways.
The price of getting my lawn mowed went up again? Fine, I'll just buy a mower and do it myself. Been needing more exercise anyone.
And that's the blue collar/working class/middle class response. White collar and uber-rich don't even have a response because they're not buying things that are made with US minimum wage labor.
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Old 06-22-2006, 08:10 AM   #149
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You obviously have never managed a fast food place. Not giving raises is the standard not unusual in the least.
I don't have to manage one of those places to know that minimum wage isn't the standard, let alone a permanent wage.

Every fast food restaruant in this state is hiring at $7 per hour.
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Why does everyone in this thread against an increase seem to be ignoring this fact?

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The last time that I checked, the economy didn't exactly tank when we raised it in 97.
Inflation didn't change, it actually went down after the last raise. Unemployment didn't significantly change either.

Isn't the actual data relevant?
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