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Old 06-21-2006, 04:27 PM  
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The Republican-controlled Senate refused Wednesday to raise the minimum wage

If we raise the minimum wage are we only increasing the prevailing wage of the illegal immigrants?

Sounds very democratic to me.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Republican-controlled Senate refused Wednesday to raise the minimum wage, rejecting an election-year proposal from Democrats for the first increase in nearly a decade.


The vote was 52-46, eight short of the 60 needed.


"I don't think the Republicans get it," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy,
D-Massachusetts, who backed a proposal for a three-step increase in the current wage floor to $7.25 an hour. The federal minimum wage has been fixed at $5.15 an hour since 1997.


Republican critics said the minimum wage was a job killer, not the boon to low-wage workers portrayed by Democrats.


"This is a classic debate between two different philosophies. One
philosophy believes in the marketplace, competition and entrepreneurship, and the second is a philosophy that says government knows best," said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Georgia. He said France and Germany have high minimum wages but also high unemployment.


But Kennedy and other advocates of an increase said minimum wage workers have been without a raise since 1997.


Underscoring the political context of the debate, he said if Democrats win the Senate this November, a minimum wage increase will be one of the first pieces of legislation to be considered.
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Old 06-21-2006, 06:57 PM   #16
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Old 06-21-2006, 06:59 PM   #17
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You do realize that this was tried in the 19th century. The last I checked it was an unmitigated disaster for the majority of the country.
And yet we amazingly survived and are still the world's most powerful economy. Hardly what I'd call 'an unmitigated disaster.'
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Old 06-21-2006, 07:00 PM   #18
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And yet we amazingly survived and are still the world's most powerful economy. Hardly what I'd call 'an unmitigated disaster.'
Perhaps because of the movement for worker's rights, genius
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Old 06-21-2006, 07:01 PM   #19
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Perhaps because of the movement for worker's rights, genius
Or, perhaps in spite of it.
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Old 06-21-2006, 07:42 PM   #20
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Yes, I do. Let the market dictate what people are paid, not government.
What he said.
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Old 06-21-2006, 08:13 PM   #21
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I was taxed at a 40% rate which made my effective wage about 6.50.
I think you need to go back to school, like grammar school. When I took math 40% of $10.00 was $4.00. $10.00-$4.00=$6.00 not $6.50.
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Old 06-21-2006, 08:31 PM   #22
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If anyone has been working at a minimum wage job since 1997 and not received a raise, it is because they are a blathering idiot.
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I think you need to go back to school, like grammar school. When I took math 40% of $10.00 was $4.00. $10.00-$4.00=$6.00 not $6.50.
Effective rate, dipshit. The taxes that I would have had taken out of my paycheck had I worked at a $6.50/hour job are roughly equivalent to being taxed 40% at a $10.00/hour job. I suggest you bone up on both your vocabulary and your reading comprehension you dumb slunt.
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Or, perhaps in spite of it.
Are you neolithic in every sense of the word?? In spite of those goddamned chimney sweeps, those ****ing rat bastard 8 year olds who wanted to be protected from death at 9, our economy managed to survive. I guess you'd just assume piss on OSHA too?? **** those factory workers, if a giant steel hood turns their brains into salsa, just throw them in a gutter and go buy another. Their dumb whore wives?? They can be hookers for the upper class.

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I just finished my first year in grad school. Here is a listing of the jobs that I've had through 4-year school, including high school.

Golf Course Maintenance: Minimum
Hy-Vee: Minimum
Campus Job: Minimum
Radio Shack: Minimum + a small bonus if our store met a sales quota at the end of the month and small bonuses if I sold certain products (cell phones, namely).
Worked at a Pharmaceutical company in KC making $10/hour, but since I was independently contracted I was taxed at a 40% rate which made my effective wage about 6.50.

Keep in mind the last job was after I had graduated with a 3.9 GPA from one of the best schools in the Midwest, having worked 25 hours a week while doing so, and supporting myself throughout college.

I just don't buy that line.

BTW, the district office of the Radio Shack that I worked at was in Ankeny, IA, so yes they do in fact exist.
This is EXACTLY why you should dump your political philosophy.
See, now, I'm a woman ( who allegedly make less) and I made a lot more than that when I worked my way through college.

You woulda made more as a bartender. See Hamas...choices. It's all about choices.
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This is EXACTLY why you should dump your political philosophy.
See, now, I'm a woman ( who allegedly make less) and I made a lot more than that when I worked my way through college.

You woulda made more as a bartendar. See Hamas...choices. It's all about choices.
The first time I came across someone like you, I would have done this:

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Effective rate, dipshit. The taxes that I would have had taken out of my paycheck had I worked at a $6.50/hour job are roughly equivalent to being taxed 40% at a $10.00/hour job. I suggest you bone up on both your vocabulary and your reading comprehension you dumb slunt.
I've worked contracts for years. You dont know what you are talking about.
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This is EXACTLY why you should dump your political philosophy.
See, now, I'm a woman ( who allegedly make less) and I made a lot more than that when I worked my way through college.

You woulda made more as a bartendar. See Hamas...choices. It's all about choices.
I had to look for 3 months to find a job that would pay me 7 dollars. I was a pharmacy technician with 2 years experience, and was only getting $6 at one of my last jobs. Worked in a physical therapy clinic and made $6.50.

But what you're saying is you trust big business to provide enough for the people they employ. Where I am, the most a person could make without prior skill or education is 7 bucks starting out. That's not enough, and I know that if they upped the minimum wage, that would start to go up just due to competition.

For the minimum wage to stay this low, is basically our government saying they feel its sufficient income to sustain food, water and shelter for someone. And then people wonder why some stay on government assistance and keep having children instead of workng. Its cause we reward people more for staying home, than we do for getting a job. If our minimum wage offered more for people than sitting on their butt, then maybe this wouldn't be a problem.

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I've worked contracts for years. You dont know what you are talking about.
Obviously you've never filled out a 1090 then or talked to a tax lawyer. But go ahead, keep telling yourself that you aren't full of shit.
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