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Old 06-21-2006, 05:27 PM  
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The Republican-controlled Senate refused Wednesday to raise the minimum wage

If we raise the minimum wage are we only increasing the prevailing wage of the illegal immigrants?

Sounds very democratic to me.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Republican-controlled Senate refused Wednesday to raise the minimum wage, rejecting an election-year proposal from Democrats for the first increase in nearly a decade.


The vote was 52-46, eight short of the 60 needed.


"I don't think the Republicans get it," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy,
D-Massachusetts, who backed a proposal for a three-step increase in the current wage floor to $7.25 an hour. The federal minimum wage has been fixed at $5.15 an hour since 1997.


Republican critics said the minimum wage was a job killer, not the boon to low-wage workers portrayed by Democrats.


"This is a classic debate between two different philosophies. One
philosophy believes in the marketplace, competition and entrepreneurship, and the second is a philosophy that says government knows best," said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Georgia. He said France and Germany have high minimum wages but also high unemployment.


But Kennedy and other advocates of an increase said minimum wage workers have been without a raise since 1997.


Underscoring the political context of the debate, he said if Democrats win the Senate this November, a minimum wage increase will be one of the first pieces of legislation to be considered.
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Old 06-21-2006, 10:15 PM   #46
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Mexicans are working in hog processing plants, doing construction and cleaning houses because they can be paid 3rd world wages and be happy with them. Since they aren't legal, no minimum wage precedents apply.
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Old 06-21-2006, 10:17 PM   #47
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Mexicans are working in hog processing plants, doing construction and cleaning houses because they can be paid 3rd world wages and be happy with them. Since they aren't legal, no minimum wage precedents apply.
My point was I heard it was places like Micky D's and other minimum wage jobs. I see them at Micky D's all the time.
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Old 06-21-2006, 10:20 PM   #48
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Correct me if I am wrong...but I thought it was the Mexican immigrants that are doing these jobs because there are no Americans who want to do them?

Other than that...how bout being a waiter?

I waitressed through school and I always had enough money. Not rich but enough.
Applied to 5 waiter jobs in vain. Also women get tons more money waiting tables than guys. Its one of the few jobs that favors women (bartenders is another).

And I'm sorry, but "them," need as much money to live in America as everyone else. Offering lower wages to first-generation immigrants is insulting to the American dream.

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Old 06-21-2006, 10:23 PM   #49
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Applied to 5 waiter jobs in vain. Also women get tons more money waiting tables than guys. Its one of the few jobs that favors women (bartenders is another).
Tell Hamas that. He says we're oppressed and held down from discrimination.

I always said inequality can work in a woman's favor at times!!

See Hamas. I told ya' so!
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Old 06-21-2006, 10:24 PM   #50
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Tell Hamas that. He says we're oppressed and held down from discrimination.

I always said inequality can work in a woman's favor at times!!

See hamas. I told ya' so!
Yeah, the only times a woman makes more money than a man is if they're hot, and use their body to make it. Bartending, waitressing, stripping, modeling, etc... It is discriminatory when they don't take you seriously, and just want to see your ass.

I don't know about you, but I'd be pissed if I was a hot chick. I have a lot of good ideas and a great mind, and would hate to not even be looked in the eyes when people are talking to me. Of course ugly chicks don't have this happen, but they also don't have an advantage at these jobs, so take your pick...

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Old 06-21-2006, 10:27 PM   #51
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Tell Hamas that. He says we're oppressed and held down from discrimination.

I always said inequality can work in a woman's favor at times!!

See Hamas. I told ya' so!
Because god knows, this is good for women's equality...as long as she has great tits, and is anorexic, she's A-Ok with us
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Old 06-21-2006, 10:27 PM   #52
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Yeah, the only times a woman makes more money than a man is if they're hot, and use their body to make it. Bartending, waitressing, stripping, modeling, etc... It is discriminatory when they don't take you seriously, and just want to see your ass.

I don't know about you, but I'd be pissed if I was a hot chick. I have a lot of good ideas and a great mind, and would hate to not even be looked in the eyes when people are talking to me. Of course ugly chicks don't have this happen, but they also don't have an advantage at these jobs, so take your pick...

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She can get in the door of some places in the corporate world but if she can't so the job I can't see it lasting.
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Old 06-21-2006, 10:29 PM   #53
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She can get in the door of some places in the corporate world but if she can't so the job I can't see it lasting.
Women have no advantage in the corporate world. Like I said, the only place they do is when their body gives them the advantage.

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Mexicans are working in hog processing plants, doing construction and cleaning houses because they can be paid 3rd world wages and be happy with them. Since they aren't legal, no minimum wage precedents apply.
Bullshit. You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about on this subject.
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Well, since I never went to college, I have never taken a microeconomics course. I speak from my experiences in the real world since I started my first job in 1976. So I do not even know what you mean by "market clearing price." Perhaps you can educate me on how a company that is in stiff competition and thus keeps it's prices as low as possible to remain in the market can have it's costs raised and still survive with its' profit in place.
I think that the stiff competition would also have to pay their workers the higher minimum wage.

I think an interesting question about this whole minimum wage thing would be the impact on the number of people eligible for the earned income credit.

If a someone has kids and the best they can do is minimum wage, they make an amount if money that means no federal taxes and they get up to a couple thousand from the treasury. It is intended to help people who work but do not make much money.

Somebody go read up on this and report back. I nominate recjake if he is not out chasing girls.
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Because god knows, this is good for women's equality...as long as she has great tits, and is anorexic, she's A-Ok with us
I just don't buy that in every case.
Except for strippers and models, ( I'm not talking that kind of money anyway. I'm talking more than minimum wage). I've seen girls, even older woman who aren't that and they make good pay tending bar and waitressing. I've also seen more men bartend. You act as if every customer is a young man.

I also read taller men get paid more too!
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I think that the stiff competition would also have to pay their workers the higher minimum wage.

I think an interesting question about this whole minimum wage thing would be the impact on the number of people eligible for the earned income credit.

If a somene has kids and the best they can do is minimum wage, they make an amount if money that means no federal taxes and they get up to a couple thousand from the treasury. It is intended to help people who work but do not make much money.

Somebody go read up on this and report back. I nominate recjake he is not out chasing girls.
I know that the federal poverty level for a family of 3 is 14,000 and change. A minimum wage job pays barely over 10. Raising it to 7,25 would bring it right up to this poverty level.
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Bullshit. You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about on this subject.
Oh really?? Milan, Missouri, about 30 miles from where I went to college is home to a corporate hog farm known as Premium Standard Farms. This area went from less than 1% Hispanic to over 75% Hispanic in less than a decade. Where do they all work?? Said Hog Farm. Look at a construction crew the next time you are out and see how many of them are Hispanic. Why, b/c they can be paid cash under the table at a far lower rate than other workers.

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Women have no advantage in the corporate world. Like I said, the only place they do is when their body gives them the advantage.

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Well, Moo that is just not true. I KNOW it's not true because I've made good money off the corporate world...and I know many more. Example: Disney hires artist to do exploratory design work for two weeks. Pay: $36,000. That wasn't me..but I know it was someone...a female too. Hired by a female creative director too.
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Well, Moo that is just not true. I KNOW it's not true because I've made my money off the corporate world...and I know many more.
And yet 95% of all CEOs are men...
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