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Old 12-05-2000, 09:47 AM  
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everyone is always clamoring about getting new coaches or GMs or players but we all know that as long as the Chiefs win...nothing will ever get done...the front office becomes complacent...the $$$ is rolling in...the team, although not going to the SB is still successful...nothing changes...

Now, things can't help but change...so don't ***** about the losing and how bad the Chiefs suck...it's exactly what we've been asking for...

Now we can sit back and watch our dreams come true...I hope...

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Old 12-05-2000, 09:49 AM   #2
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Actually, I am going to do both. I want changes, and I want to ***** about the losses.
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Old 12-05-2000, 09:55 AM   #3
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I preface this question with the disclaimer that I am DESPARATELY grasping for reasons for the idiotic play at the end of the game [perhaps the single most idiotic I've ever seen from the Chiefs]. But is it possible that that play was on purpose? A mini-mutiny? The D showed it could stop in the crunch. The O showed it could drive in the crunch. But a win would pull a nail OUT of Gun's, Raye's, Schottsy's, Stock's, coffins.
Remember, just a wild supposition.
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Old 12-05-2000, 09:57 AM   #4
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After last night I'm through bitching...I will watch the games, but winning or losing won't make a difference...now I only hope that no one gets seriously injured...I can only hope that we can use the last three games to build for next season...time for the rookies to earn their stripes...
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Old 12-05-2000, 10:00 AM   #5
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JC, I know you are kidding but it might have the desired effect...
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Old 12-05-2000, 11:05 AM   #6
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I've seen the Chiefs play only 5 times this season.(because I can only rely on local cable TV)

Question One:
Is our biggest problem Gunther?

I've seen game after game slip by primarily because of player indiscretion, and complacency . Does Gunther deserve blame for his linemen jumping offsides? or Grbac not being a clutch player? or Richardson spiking the ball? I'm starting to think that some of the players on our defense just aren't very good. Is that Kurts fault?

Question Two:

If we do clean house . . . what are the odds we find someone who could do better?

What bothers me most watching this team is the overall lack of fire. . . so we could use a motivator, true, but are there some coaches out there, sittin on the couch putting together their proven game winning strategies, that could light a fire under these players asses that want to come to little ol' Kansas City?

Two Words . . . Dallas Cowboys
Jerry Jones thought he could solve all of thier problems with one move . . . fire the head coach . . . "Bye Switzer" . . . in comes
Gailey, team doesn't improve . . ."Bye Gailey" . . . in comes Campo, must I go on?

In the pre-season a lot of critics felt that the Chiefs would not make the playoff. Did they say that because " Gunther Cunningham is an Idiot."? or because we lack talent? or because of our rookies? or because of our schedule?

Is it possible we're just cycling though a downward trend? Maybe our team just isn't that good?

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Old 12-05-2000, 11:08 AM   #7
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No, this team has enough talent to win. They simply aren't motivated properly. As for the Cowboys, they're just old.
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Old 12-05-2000, 11:12 AM   #8
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Chief, I don't buy the theory about our players not being that good...sure, we have our clunkers, but we have a solid core that should make the weaker players better...IMO..it takes strong coaching to motivate and get the most out of players...if a player is not performing...motivate him with a swift kick in the butt...

No, I can't blame everything on the coaches...just 75% of it...

If I had to guess...I would guess the players see the same inconsistencies in Gun that we do...

When you have the players we have, who in my opinion are almost as good as the Dallas team...then you have to assume it's the coaches fault...besides it's cheaper to fire the coach.
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Old 12-05-2000, 11:12 AM   #9
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It has nothing to do with not being motivated, it has to do with the players losing faith in the coaches. You can be a great motivator all you want, but when you call plays like these idiots it doesn't take long.

In the last 4 weeks, DA, Kimble, Gonzo, and EG have all said the SAME THING after losses "I'm not sure why we called that play."

Our players make mistakes, so do alot of players. But the players lack of fire is unmistakably due to them not having any faith in the coaching staff.

Somebody already suggested it, but I'll say it again. EG threw that pass last night to lose the game ON PURPOSE, so that Gunther will resign...

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Old 12-05-2000, 11:12 AM   #10
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BTW . . . Gunther was jumpin around screamin towards the end, last night. . . . is it because he wants to know why the stupidity on the field continues to go on?

That's why I was jumpin around and screaming last night

Wasn't Gunther just actin like a Chiefs Fan last night?
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Old 12-05-2000, 11:16 AM   #11
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htismaqe,

if thats the case . . . Grbac should be fired.
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Old 12-05-2000, 11:28 AM   #13
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Bye Bye Peterson he hates when his teams have top 10 picks. Remember last year around draft time he said that if the Chiefs ever had a top 10 pick he would resign.
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Old 12-05-2000, 11:37 AM   #14
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Has anyone thought about the fact that we may lose more than the coaching staff with a losing season? What about are top players who decide that they don't want to be part of a losing organazation? I mean it would break my heart and send me into great depression if we lose Gonzo. And you know there are a lot of teams who would pay big bucks for him. We have to find a way to make him want to stay, and losing games, and fans who want them to lose games does not inspire a lot of loyality in people. Think about it.

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Old 12-05-2000, 11:39 AM   #15
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I would be willing to accept that we don't have a very good team until I look at some of the games we've played. Such as the Rams game. Even in the loss in TN we played fairly well. We went on a streak winning 5 of 6 games. We can win, and we have some good players.

So the questions becomes, what is the problem? I tend to think a lot of it has to do with the coaching, but that's just MHO. I freely admit that I could be totally wrong.

You picked a specific example of the defense jumping offsides. That problem has plagued us all season. And yeah, I feel like that's something that Gunther has failed to address. If he's the boss, he's got to get their attention so they quit making those little mental mistakes that add up to big mistakes. And yet it continues. On a fairly regular basis I might add. There is no excuse for a coaching team not addressing that.

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