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Old 12-06-2000, 09:38 PM  
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"It was an absolutely horrible decision by me, there's no doubt," Grbac said. "Tony had flashed to me, but I should have had the presence of mind to throw the ball away and get to the next play. It was disgusting as a quarterback to be in my eighth year to do something like that is ridiculous."

Well, he's holding himself accountable as he should, and he isn't pointing fingers and making excuses, something people keep accusing him of. I find this encouraging, and hope he takes it to heart, studies and prepares even harder, and becomes a more savvy QB...
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Old 12-06-2000, 10:21 PM   #2
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Grbac has always had the arm. at the same time he has NEVER had "QB smarts". it is simply amazing how he can make the same mistake over and over again. He made the SAME mistake last year at San Diego and he made a sinilar one in the preseason this year. He has improved, but his inability to improvise and make good decisions is why he is not considered to be a solid QB. It is exactly why he can have the year he has had and it is virtually meaningless. A QB with his stats should have made more of a mark for his team and the league. He is simply NOT a winner. I can't help but believe that this staff is partly to blame. To be continued next season.................
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Old 12-06-2000, 10:21 PM   #3
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Gunther needs to take some notes from his quarterback.

At least Grbac is man enough to admit he's been around long enough to know better than to make such silly mistakes.

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Old 12-06-2000, 10:32 PM   #4
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I don't think it is fair to say he is not a winner. He hasn't been blessed with a great supporting team this year. Last year he played superbly in our final game and dispite the horrible defense, he drove us into position to kick the division winning FG. If Stoyo makes that kick, is he a winner? He was also 8-2 before he got injured in 1997. '98 and this year have been horrible teams. Ghe guy has made some bad decisions, but he's made many more good decisions. He came back from that San Diego game with 3 or 4 comeback wins. He's a good QB, and hopefully he'll get better after this...
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Old 12-06-2000, 10:46 PM   #5
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Fair point but I disagree, at least in terms of my personal defination of a winner. To me a winner is one that can be counted on to get the job done and even if he does not win the game, he will not exhibit a tendency for bad plays at critical times. IMHO, Grbac falls into this category. More times than not, when it was up to Grbac to make a wise decision in a critical defining moment - he seems to fall short. Furthermore, he seemsto make the same mistake over and over again. One only needs to look at the San Diego game last year for proof.
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Old 12-06-2000, 11:01 PM   #6
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I understand your point, but I don't think it is fair to disregard an entire season or two of work and concentrate on only 2 individual situations.

IMO, those situations were in reality pretty different. The San Diego game, it is like his 4th game back as a starter. He had an overall horrible game and seemed pretty shellshocked at the time. It was just one of those bad days QB's have sometimes, like Warner the other day. He should have gone for the end zone, even though everyone was covered, and he knows it. And I guaruntee you if we were on the 32 in this game he would have gone for the end zone. He's done it in all the other games. What other game can you remember where he doesn't go for the end zone in that situation.

Now down near the goal line, that is a whole different thing. If you read Beurlein's comments, it was one of those throws that a QB sees a guy streaking towards the end zone and instinctually they let the ball go and as it leaves they are thinking "No, no! Come back!" It was a bad decision, but the situation and mentality was different than the one in San Diego, even though they seem similar.

But I think that there are many more good things than bad things. Those are two games. If we want to concentrate on only the negatives, then I don't think that makes a fair assessment, because we're throwing out all the comebacks and the wins and saying, "Hey this guy didn't get it done in these two situations, it doesn't matter if he has done it in other situations, he can't win."

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Old 12-07-2000, 08:25 AM   #7
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The preseason game this past year against Jackonsiville comes to mind. Disn't he "down it" on 3rd down or something with about :40 seconds to play so we could "go for it" on 4th down? There is something wrong with Grbac's thinking when things get "tight".
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Old 12-07-2000, 08:27 AM   #8
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Rather I should say thereis something wrong with Grbac's instincts when things get tight. That instinct is what he is lacking IMHO.
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Old 12-07-2000, 11:59 AM   #9
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I say it INEXCUSABLE for an 8 year veteran to make decisions like Grbac made on Monday and I get lambasted on here. Grbac says it and you applaud him. I agree with TX Chief, these things have happened before and will continue to happen. The guy folds under pressure situations in big games. He does things that you would never dream a QB would do.
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Packfan - it could be because 99% of the time you are irrational and talking any spin to make yourself look right, no matter how stupid it appears to others watching and giggling at you.

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Well, we finally agree on one thing. actually, we agree on many issues concerning Carl. *grin* I honestly believe that the KC coaching staff is partly responsible for not mentoring Grbac in these situations. shoot, I'd probably be a spaz also if the game was on the line and I had to turn to Raye and Gun MaGoo for guidence. IMHO, I've gone on record many times as saying this staff has hindered Grbac's development. He should be better prepared to handle the pressure. They took the leash of him this year out of despiration because the Chiefs can't run the football, and he put up big passing numbers. The fact is you can't coach an "arm" so to speak - you can coach "situations" and this is where the Chiefs LAME A$$ staff has FAILED. No doubt Grbac has the physical tools - he's lacking the "smarts" upstairs which I attribute to a lack of coaching. It is the very reason why his best season as a pro is virtually meaningless. With his stats, he should have made more of an impact not only on the Chiefs, but on the whole league. Also, even IF the Chiefs get a legit RB - little would change if the same LAME A$$ coaching staff is retained.
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Old 12-07-2000, 12:25 PM   #12
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[i]I say it INEXCUSABLE for an 8 year veteran to make decisions like Grbac made on Monday and I get lambasted on here.[/i]

No that's not why you got lambasted. Everyone agrees that it was a stupid play for EG to do.

You got lambasted by your silly comments like:

Grbac is a loser, plain and simple.
When Grbac gets the 10 Million it will guarantee mediocrity
Not to mention your contradictory statements about how Grbac is responsible for the 5-8 record and then in a post not 2 minutes later railing about how football is a team sport.

Of course, I dont expect you to understand, because it's obvious you dont read the posts and forget what you say the minute it's been posted on the BB.
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Old 12-07-2000, 12:32 PM   #13
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Ask yourself this: Where would the Chiefs be without Elvis? The answer is much worse then 5-8. He is KC's Offensive MVP hands down. He is a good QB that suffers from a serious lack of coaching. I wonder how he would fare under Mike Shannahan or Mike Holmngren? I guarantee that he would still make some mistakes, but he would not make the same ones over and over again.
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Old 12-07-2000, 01:47 PM   #14
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Grbac made a bad decision, but I'm very happy that he admitted it this time. He's definitely matured from the beginning of the season. I probably was more critical than anyone when he downed the ball on 3rd down in preseason, but now that he can admit his mistakes he can begin to learn from them. He has definitely made some mistakes (Chiefs fans will never let him forget them), but I think he's come a long way, and he's not done maturing yet. I think he'll make even more progress if we ever get a coaching staff in here that knows what they're doing. Really, does anyone think the Tiger formation was our best option there anyway? Who would you rather have running a pattern when the game's on the line; Dunn (Drayton?), or Lockett. I know that's not an excuse, but it is IMO a contributing factor. Think about where Elvis was at this time last year and see how far along he's come. I don't think we've seen his full poitential reached yet.
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it just proves that he's that much closer to becoming the leader we need him to be. he has made huge strides this year, and basically during the regular season he has only made a few completely boneheaded plays.

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