Whitlock is trying to hit for the Cycle....

Reerun_KC · 09-14-2006, 07:31 AM

Hope this is not Germans, But Jason hit the nail on the head agian... Dude is rolling Peterson and Edwards...

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/15513164.htm

Chiefs send message: They’ll stay conservative
JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

Previous columns
Let me translate the message Herm Edwards, Carl Peterson and the entire Chiefs organization put out Tuesday afternoon.

The Chiefs are going to run the football, punt the football and play defense the rest of this season, and they don’t particularly care whether Chiefs fans have a problem with that plan of attack.

You might have missed the message because Edwards and Peterson disguised it somewhat cleverly by insisting that the Chiefs ran the old, Dick Vermeil-Al Saunders offense in the season opener against the Bengals.

They told you that because that’s the last time you’ll see it.

Good. I’m happy. The announcement should’ve been made the moment Willie Roaf announced his retirement, the moment the Chiefs failed to upgrade their receiving corps, the moment Dick Vermeil retired.

Instead, Edwards and Peterson didn’t feel comfortable telling Kansas City fans the truth about the Dick Vermeil and Al Saunders fireworks show until the reality of Trent Green strapped to a gurney sobered KC football fans.

Now, Peterson and Edwards believe you can handle the truth, though they didn’t quite muster the tummy to deliver that truth personally.

Peterson trotted out his trusty mouthpiece, Bob Gretz, to do the heavy lifting. Under the headline “It’s Broken,” Gretz viciously attacked the Vermeil offensive era on the Chiefs’ official Web site, characterizing Saunders’ unit as totally self-serving, glory-hungry and unconcerned about the team as a whole.

Now, I happen to agree with Gretz, and complained throughout the Vermeil era that the head coach and offensive coordinator came to Kansas City with the No. 1 priority of proving that they — not Mike Martz — orchestrated St. Louis’ Greatest Show on Turf.

It’s interesting to learn — through his lapdog — that Peterson agrees with me on something. Unfortunately, King Carl isn’t bold enough to point the finger at himself or even in the direction it truly belongs. On Tuesday, The King took a not-so-subtle swipe at Saunders, who is a known traitor to The King and is the $2 million offensive coordinator of Washington, 0-1.

“The Kansas City offense didn’t score many points in Washington, D.C., (Monday night), either, did it?” Peterson rhetorically asked reporters.

Saunders isn’t the true culprit. It’s Vermeil. He hated the way he was run out of St. Louis in favor of Martz. He hated the way the media gave Martz the credit for St. Louis’ offense. Vermeil fancies himself as an offensive innovator and Hall of Fame coach. He came to KC to complete his Hall resume. He already owned a Super Bowl appearance (Philadelphia) and a Super Bowl ring (St. Louis). He needed to establish a rep as a “genius.” You do that by scoring points and leading a great offense (Bill Walsh, Don Coryell, Mike Holmgren).

Martz stole Vermeil’s “genius” label.

Peterson and Edwards, Vermeil legacies, can’t say it. So Peterson blasts Saunders. And Edwards is trying to bait his critics into saying it’s stupid to continue to run Vermeil’s offense.

“Conservative? I was conservative in (the Cincy) game?” Edwards ranted in his Tuesday news conference. “If people went to watch the Kansas City Chiefs play, that’s the same offense they’ve watched for the last five years — shifts, motions. … Maybe I should change, because if we’re only going to score 10 points and we’ll get the quarterback killed, then maybe I should change the offense.”

Edwards’ point?

The Dick Vermeil offense got Trent Green smoked, and any of you fools who expect to see the Vermeil offense again better pass me whatever you’re smoking.

Why not just come out and say it? Why not just look Chiefs fans in the eyes and say: “We don’t have the personnel to run the offense anymore. The offense puts our defense in a terrible bind. And, if you look closely at what they were doing to score all of the points, you’d realize it wasn’t necessarily conducive to winning.”?

Because when you work for a general manager/president who is in his 18th year of operation without a Super Bowl appearance and has gone more than a decade without a playoff victory, you don’t have the necessary credibility with your fan base.

You can’t shoot straight. You have to play public-relations games. You throw pity parties. You paint the picture that you’re absolutely shocked that Willie Roaf didn’t report to training camp. You call the commissioner and complain that the hit on your quarterback was well outside the rules. You petition the competition committee to expand the number of playoff qualifiers.

When you’re in over your head and you’ve stayed too long, you make excuses, you point fingers and you speak in riddles hoping someone translates your points.

Bravo Agian!

**the Talking Can** · 09-14-2006, 07:43 AM

it would be smarter to just say "Trent and Willie are gone, so is the offense..."

**Rain Man** · 09-14-2006, 07:44 AM

Whitlock is our greatest weapon in the revolution to remove the Carl regime from power. He is the Thomas Paine of the upcoming revolution.

Carl has gassed the metaphoric Kurds one too many times. He has dined on the crumpets of sellouts while his people starve for a playoff victory. Revolt! Revolt, I tell you! Let us charge the towers of Arrowhead and free our hopes and dreams from the tyranny of the King! Viva la revolucion!

Reerun_KC · 09-14-2006, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Whitlock is our greatest weapon in the revolution to remove the Carl regime from power. He is the Thomas Paine of the upcoming revolution.

Carl has gassed the metaphoric Kurds one too many times. He has dined on the crumpets of sellouts while his people starve for a playoff victory. Revolt! Revolt, I tell you! Let us charge the towers of Arrowhead and free our hopes and dreams from the tyranny of the King! Viva la revolucion!

just spit dr pepper out the nose... Thanks!

Archie F. Swin · 09-14-2006, 07:54 AM

You need an offensive line to play Martyball too.

Kyle401 · 09-14-2006, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin

You need an offensive line to play Martyball too.

WE'RE DOOMED!11!!

DAMMIT CARL!!1111!!!!!!

LesterLyles · 09-14-2006, 08:10 AM

For your sake, I hope this doean't mean you'll abandon the explosive Chiefs offense for the Herm/Jets offense of recent years.

Warrior5 · 09-14-2006, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

...He has dined on the crumpets of sellouts while his people starve for a playoff victory...

Crumpets? They only sell those at Incrisco, along with green tea.

I'd believe Filet mignon.

**Rain Man** · 09-14-2006, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrior5

Crumpets? They only sell those at Incrisco, along with green tea.

I'd believe Filet mignon.

No. Too manly. One of the first goals of the revolution will be to isolate the king in the media, emasculate him in image and persona, and eliminate any points of commonality between his tastes and those of the people. It's Revolution 101.

Warrior5 · 09-14-2006, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

No. Too manly. One of the first goals of the revolution will be to isolate the king in the media, emasculate him in image and persona, and eliminate any points of commonality between his tastes and those of the people. It's Revolution 101.

Well then now about "cake"? I mean c'mon, crumpets? They suit the flaccid bourgoise at Pile High perfectly, and I simply refuse to make that association with anything related to the Chiefs.

On the glide path to an "F" in Revolution 101...

MOhillbilly · 09-14-2006, 08:41 AM

KC fan has suffered enough of along slow death of the cancer that is carl peterson.
now we find ourselve praying for sweet sweet release.

only to discover the cruel joke continues on.

& on.

till the break of dawn!!!

yeah BOY!

i couldnt help it....lol

jrowe · 09-14-2006, 08:48 AM

While I hate Whitlock's body of work, that was actually a good article. The offense is definately gone. I feel it may have more to do with the play calling and offensive coaches than merely personnel. Saunders excelled at calling plays to keep the defense off balance. So far, I see that lacking under our current coaching staff and OC. Personnel on the offensive line had definately taken its toll, but I have a feeling Vermeil and Saunders could still get great results with this group.

Also, contrary to the myth put forth by CP and Herm, Vermeil and Saunders weren't the aggresive, "hurt your defense by being too agressive" coaches they are currently made out to be. Vermeil felt that by having an aggressive offense and getting out to a big lead, you put pressure on the opposing offense to play catch ball by passing. An offense limited to passing plays into the hands of the defense. A big lead also allows you to salt away the clock by running late in the game. Vermeil's offense was designed to help the defense. Unfortunately, it came at the expense of the defense and the never committed the resources and control the defense needed to be successful.

DJJasonp · 09-14-2006, 08:49 AM

Yep...I read the same thing between the lines in Herm's press conference....this is what I heard:

"I believed the hype of this so-called power-house offense....I gave it a one game chance....and now you'll never see it again."

From here on out....it's a battle for field position with Colquitt the most important offensive player on the field.

MOhillbilly · 09-14-2006, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrowe

Unfortunately, it came at the expense of the defense and the never committed the resources and control the defense needed to be successful.

not according to the powers that be.

**Rain Man** · 09-14-2006, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrior5

Well then now about "cake"? I mean c'mon, crumpets? They suit the flaccid bourgoise at Pile High perfectly, and I simply refuse to make that association with anything related to the Chiefs.

On the glide path to an "F" in Revolution 101...

Okay, I can go with cake. Plus, that generates a great visual of Marie Antoinette.

(Ahem. ***clear throat***)

Whitlock is our greatest weapon in the revolution to remove the Carl regime from power. He is the Thomas Paine of the upcoming revolution.

Carl has gassed the metaphoric Kurds one too many times. He has dined on the cake that is sellouts while his people starve for a playoff victory. Revolt! Revolt, I tell you! Let us charge the towers of Arrowhead and free our hopes and dreams from the tyranny of the King! Viva la revolucion!

09-14-2006, 07:31 AM
Reerun_KC Rock Chalk Jayhawks! KU!!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $8301160	Whitlock is trying to hit for the Cycle.... Hope this is not Germans, But Jason hit the nail on the head agian... Dude is rolling Peterson and Edwards... http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/15513164.htm Chiefs send message: They’ll stay conservative JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star Previous columns Let me translate the message Herm Edwards, Carl Peterson and the entire Chiefs organization put out Tuesday afternoon. The Chiefs are going to run the football, punt the football and play defense the rest of this season, and they don’t particularly care whether Chiefs fans have a problem with that plan of attack. You might have missed the message because Edwards and Peterson disguised it somewhat cleverly by insisting that the Chiefs ran the old, Dick Vermeil-Al Saunders offense in the season opener against the Bengals. They told you that because that’s the last time you’ll see it. Good. I’m happy. The announcement should’ve been made the moment Willie Roaf announced his retirement, the moment the Chiefs failed to upgrade their receiving corps, the moment Dick Vermeil retired. Instead, Edwards and Peterson didn’t feel comfortable telling Kansas City fans the truth about the Dick Vermeil and Al Saunders fireworks show until the reality of Trent Green strapped to a gurney sobered KC football fans. Now, Peterson and Edwards believe you can handle the truth, though they didn’t quite muster the tummy to deliver that truth personally. Peterson trotted out his trusty mouthpiece, Bob Gretz, to do the heavy lifting. Under the headline “It’s Broken,” Gretz viciously attacked the Vermeil offensive era on the Chiefs’ official Web site, characterizing Saunders’ unit as totally self-serving, glory-hungry and unconcerned about the team as a whole. Now, I happen to agree with Gretz, and complained throughout the Vermeil era that the head coach and offensive coordinator came to Kansas City with the No. 1 priority of proving that they — not Mike Martz — orchestrated St. Louis’ Greatest Show on Turf. It’s interesting to learn — through his lapdog — that Peterson agrees with me on something. Unfortunately, King Carl isn’t bold enough to point the finger at himself or even in the direction it truly belongs. On Tuesday, The King took a not-so-subtle swipe at Saunders, who is a known traitor to The King and is the $2 million offensive coordinator of Washington, 0-1. “The Kansas City offense didn’t score many points in Washington, D.C., (Monday night), either, did it?” Peterson rhetorically asked reporters. Saunders isn’t the true culprit. It’s Vermeil. He hated the way he was run out of St. Louis in favor of Martz. He hated the way the media gave Martz the credit for St. Louis’ offense. Vermeil fancies himself as an offensive innovator and Hall of Fame coach. He came to KC to complete his Hall resume. He already owned a Super Bowl appearance (Philadelphia) and a Super Bowl ring (St. Louis). He needed to establish a rep as a “genius.” You do that by scoring points and leading a great offense (Bill Walsh, Don Coryell, Mike Holmgren). Martz stole Vermeil’s “genius” label. Peterson and Edwards, Vermeil legacies, can’t say it. So Peterson blasts Saunders. And Edwards is trying to bait his critics into saying it’s stupid to continue to run Vermeil’s offense. “Conservative? I was conservative in (the Cincy) game?” Edwards ranted in his Tuesday news conference. “If people went to watch the Kansas City Chiefs play, that’s the same offense they’ve watched for the last five years — shifts, motions. … Maybe I should change, because if we’re only going to score 10 points and we’ll get the quarterback killed, then maybe I should change the offense.” Edwards’ point? The Dick Vermeil offense got Trent Green smoked, and any of you fools who expect to see the Vermeil offense again better pass me whatever you’re smoking. Why not just come out and say it? Why not just look Chiefs fans in the eyes and say: “We don’t have the personnel to run the offense anymore. The offense puts our defense in a terrible bind. And, if you look closely at what they were doing to score all of the points, you’d realize it wasn’t necessarily conducive to winning.”? Because when you work for a general manager/president who is in his 18th year of operation without a Super Bowl appearance and has gone more than a decade without a playoff victory, you don’t have the necessary credibility with your fan base. You can’t shoot straight. You have to play public-relations games. You throw pity parties. You paint the picture that you’re absolutely shocked that Willie Roaf didn’t report to training camp. You call the commissioner and complain that the hit on your quarterback was well outside the rules. You petition the competition committee to expand the number of playoff qualifiers. When you’re in over your head and you’ve stayed too long, you make excuses, you point fingers and you speak in riddles hoping someone translates your points. Bravo Agian!
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09-14-2006, 08:48 AM	#12
jrowe Starter Join Date: Jul 2006 Casino cash: $2404337	While I hate Whitlock's body of work, that was actually a good article. The offense is definately gone. I feel it may have more to do with the play calling and offensive coaches than merely personnel. Saunders excelled at calling plays to keep the defense off balance. So far, I see that lacking under our current coaching staff and OC. Personnel on the offensive line had definately taken its toll, but I have a feeling Vermeil and Saunders could still get great results with this group. Also, contrary to the myth put forth by CP and Herm, Vermeil and Saunders weren't the aggresive, "hurt your defense by being too agressive" coaches they are currently made out to be. Vermeil felt that by having an aggressive offense and getting out to a big lead, you put pressure on the opposing offense to play catch ball by passing. An offense limited to passing plays into the hands of the defense. A big lead also allows you to salt away the clock by running late in the game. Vermeil's offense was designed to help the defense. Unfortunately, it came at the expense of the defense and the never committed the resources and control the defense needed to be successful.
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DJJasonp My work speaks for itself!!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $2025200	Yep...I read the same thing between the lines in Herm's press conference....this is what I heard: "I believed the hype of this so-called power-house offense....I gave it a one game chance....and now you'll never see it again." From here on out....it's a battle for field position with Colquitt the most important offensive player on the field. __________________ Its easier to fool a man, than to convince a man he's been fooled.
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