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Old 12-22-2000, 07:36 PM  
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Did anyone see this debate? (it is on C-Span at the time this thread is being typed 8:30pmCST)

Wow . . . Very passionate

Dershowitz argument summarized: You don't have to be religious to be moral. Modern Christianity is being used as an vessel for bigotry in America.


Keyes argument summarized: Religion is the foundation of moral guidence, and one thing more powerful than the nations of this world is God.

They did everything short of coming to blows
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Old 12-22-2000, 08:48 PM   #2
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Dershowitz is an idiot....

What happened when the Egyptians lost their faith and believed that morality came from only within? And the Romans? And more recently the Russians?

Their empires collapsed and they became second rate nations.

Wise up Dershowitz, morality comes from greater good, not depending soley on the goodness within.
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Old 12-22-2000, 09:05 PM   #3
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I agree with Dershowitz, in that, you don't have to be religious in order to be a moral person. I do believe in God, but I'm not a church member and I feel that the Bible is a great moral tool, but not the result of God speaking through man . . . rather man's attempt to speak on behalf of God.

I consider myself a moral person. To me, the "greater good" is the collective good of man.
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Old 12-22-2000, 09:34 PM   #4
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Another insightful non football topic.
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Old 12-22-2000, 11:34 PM   #5
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I can't comment on the Egyptians or Romans, but the collapse of Russia had nothing to do with religion. It had to do with economics.
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Old 12-23-2000, 12:07 AM   #6
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G_Man,

The collaps of the Soviet Union had everything to do with corruption. I think you can make the connection.

BTW, are we talking about Alan Keyes?

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Old 12-23-2000, 08:35 AM   #7
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Well said. I agree with your statement. I rarely agree with Bill Maher on Politically Incorrect, but I totally agree with his aspect. He says that he believes in God, but doesn't believe in religion. That sums up my thoughts exactly.

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Old 12-23-2000, 09:34 AM   #8
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Luz,

Yes Alan Keyes vs. Alan Dershowitz

Keyes comes across, IMO, as the most intelligent and well spoken member of the religious right. At times he seemed arrogant, but I think he was showing confidence that he could hang with Dershowitz.

The fact that Keyes represents that portion of the Republican party that I have little regard for, his ability to speak so eloquently scares the poopies out of me.

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You can say a lot about Dershowitz, (Leftus Liberal, Money hungry lawyer), but I dont think you can fairly call a Harvard law professor an idiot.

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Old 12-23-2000, 10:08 AM   #9
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I agree with your assessment of Keyes. I have the utmost respect for his intellect and his wisdom.

As for Dershowitz... I'm sorry to say that I know many educated idiots.

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Old 12-23-2000, 02:03 PM   #10
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Luz - Lack of religion doesn't equal corruption. Saying that these empires collapsed because they didn't believe in God (who has never been proven to exist) is pure opinion. There are no facts to back it up.
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Old 12-23-2000, 02:09 PM   #11
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G_man, God has never been proven [i]not[/i] to exist either.
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Old 12-23-2000, 02:14 PM   #12
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True, but I'm saying, either way, you can't fault someone for their beliefs. Just because someone doesn't share the same views as you, doesn't lessen their credibility. Saying because someone doesn't believe in your religion caused their empire to collapse is a ridiculous and arrogant statement.
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Old 12-23-2000, 02:17 PM   #13
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If i had an imaginary friend, it couldn't be proven either way that he existed or not. But you'd probably call me an idiot if I did. If I said my firend was God, all of a sudden it's OK.
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Old 12-23-2000, 02:18 PM   #14
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"Saying because someone doesn't believe in your religion caused their empire to collapse is a ridiculous and arrogant statement."

Not necessarily, but I am not going to get into that. I have had my religion disscussion for the week the other day with Clint.

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Old 12-23-2000, 02:20 PM   #15
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So if I was of a different religion than you, and I said you were going to be punished for not obeying my religion, you'd accept that as fact, or opinion?
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