Manning for Tomlinson with Vick on bench?

Kneemeyer · 10-10-2006, 09:27 AM

Is it smart to trade Manning for Tomlinson if I have Vick on the bench? My running backs are D. Foster and T. Jones. I noticed that Turner is getting a lot of carries for San Diego as well. Could this be an issue? This is my first year in FF, and I took over a team two games into the season because an owner didn't pay. So here I am with a dilemma. I can't think of a more educated group to ask for advice so here I am. Please help.

JBucc · 10-10-2006, 09:29 AM

Sure. Manning sucks this year.

CoMoChief · 10-10-2006, 09:36 AM

That depends who you have as RB's

The Big Lebowski · 10-10-2006, 09:38 AM

You'd have to consider the scoring setup for QB's in your league. As in, do you get 4 or 6 points per TD pass? Do you lose points for interceptions? If so, is it -1 or -2? What other QB's are free agents? (I wouldn't stick with just vick). Do you have any other backs besides T. Jones and Foster? Lots of questions!

In general however, I would make that trade in a heartbeat. LT is a top 3 pick and manning is a low-first to high second round pick.

jspchief · 10-10-2006, 10:00 AM

It's certainly worth consideration. Your RBs are weak, so it's a huge upgrade. I'm not sure how bad I'd want Vick as my #1 QB though.

tyton75 · 10-10-2006, 10:01 AM

I would make that trade very quickly before he changes his mind... Peyton is great; but top flight RB's are hard to come by and Vick is a decent backup option

ct · 10-10-2006, 10:33 AM

I think you're losing more than you're gaining, given the way LdT is being utilized.

This does very much depend on your scoring setup. For instance, I have Vick in my league, a heavy performance league scoring. We get big bonus for completion %, rush/receive avg. If Vick has a minimum 7 rushing attempts, he's eligible for big bonus, as he typically does get a big avg per carry. So, Vick is quite valueable in my league, but without that bonus, he's a chump.

Foster and Thomas Jones aren't horrible, but not good either. However, if Vick's only gonna get you passing points, then that is indeed horrible, and I think you're losing ground overall.

Given all that, LdT, Foster, and TJ would be very nice, and can cover for other weaknesses. Tough call, but I'd talk him out of more, feigning concern over Michael Turner. See how badly he really wants Peyton. Who are his QBs to get one back from him in addition to LdT?

Kneemeyer · 10-10-2006, 11:03 AM

Jake Delhomme is his QB. I thought about this route. My WR's are M. Harrison, P.Burress, blank...my third is skeptical week to week. If the trade went like this manning and d. foster for LT and m. muhammad from the bears. Then I have three great recievers. decent QB and LT...on paper that is pretty damn good.
...but i would lose manning to harrison....thats 12 points instantly everytime they connect....so tough.

CoMoChief · 10-10-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kneemeyer

Jake Delhomme is his QB. I thought about this route. My WR's are M. Harrison, P.Burress, blank...my third is skeptical week to week. If the trade went like this manning and d. foster for LT and m. muhammad from the bears. Then I have three great recievers. decent QB and LT...on paper that is pretty damn good.
...but i would lose manning to harrison....thats 12 points instantly everytime they connect....so tough.

Moosh isn't even the best WR in Chicago right now. If you can snatch Benard Berrian do it. He's been kicking ass lately.

chop · 10-10-2006, 11:21 AM

Tomlinson hasn't done much lately but he is definitely worth trading any QB away to get him. I just traded S. Jackson and C. Williams to get him. I already had R. Brown and J. Jones on my bench and I thought he would be an upgrade but so far he has disappointed me. I still think he is a top 3 rb. I hope he gets back on track for me though.

ct · 10-10-2006, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kneemeyer

Jake Delhomme is his QB. I thought about this route. My WR's are M. Harrison, P.Burress, blank...my third is skeptical week to week. If the trade went like this manning and d. foster for LT and m. muhammad from the bears. Then I have three great recievers. decent QB and LT...on paper that is pretty damn good.
...but i would lose manning to harrison....thats 12 points instantly everytime they connect....so tough.

I already didn't like Manning for LdT straight up, now you're giving up Foster for Moose, which is a definite win for him. Moose is on his last legs, and Berrian is by far Grossman's favorite target.

Just my opinion, but I'd press for more or no deal. LdT will be sharing time with Turner indefinitely, that is not a short term trend. Yes he will still put up great #s most weeks, just don't get allured by the stud RB, and ignore the point to point values of the trade.

Some supporting #s (my league scoring remember)

Vick 29.2 pt/gm (take away approx. 8 pt/gm w/out our bonus)
Manning 28.2 pt/gm
Tomlinson 24.0 pt/gm
Foster 17.2 pt/gm (rookie out with ankle injury, value goin up)
Muhammad 14.2 pt/gm (Berrian 20.2 pt/gm by the way, Moose value goin down)

SBK · 10-10-2006, 12:15 PM

I'd probably pass.

Kneemeyer · 10-10-2006, 12:31 PM

Yeah this is what I was afraid of.....it's just Manning's bye week and he has been "struggling" on his terms. I can't help but think manning for a top 3 running back (who ever that may be) is going to HELP my team. Vick won't be a HUGE lost at QB, and a stud back is going to make the difference for my team. What running back is worth a trade like manning?

Mr. Laz · 10-10-2006, 01:05 PM

vick isn't reliable ..... beware having him as your key QB.

ct · 10-10-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

vick isn't reliable ..... beware having him as your key QB.

true dat

10-10-2006, 09:27 AM
Kneemeyer Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Casino cash: $1050	Manning for Tomlinson with Vick on bench? Is it smart to trade Manning for Tomlinson if I have Vick on the bench? My running backs are D. Foster and T. Jones. I noticed that Turner is getting a lot of carries for San Diego as well. Could this be an issue? This is my first year in FF, and I took over a team two games into the season because an owner didn't pay. So here I am with a dilemma. I can't think of a more educated group to ask for advice so here I am. Please help.
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10-10-2006, 09:29 AM	#2
JBucc MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Casino cash: $13506	Sure. Manning sucks this year.
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The Big Lebowski Human Paraquat Join Date: Oct 2005 Casino cash: $1000	You'd have to consider the scoring setup for QB's in your league. As in, do you get 4 or 6 points per TD pass? Do you lose points for interceptions? If so, is it -1 or -2? What other QB's are free agents? (I wouldn't stick with just vick). Do you have any other backs besides T. Jones and Foster? Lots of questions! In general however, I would make that trade in a heartbeat. LT is a top 3 pick and manning is a low-first to high second round pick. __________________ The Dude Abides....
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10-10-2006, 10:00 AM	#5
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $41521	It's certainly worth consideration. Your RBs are weak, so it's a huge upgrade. I'm not sure how bad I'd want Vick as my #1 QB though. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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10-10-2006, 10:01 AM	#6
tyton75 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: KC North Casino cash: $33830	I would make that trade very quickly before he changes his mind... Peyton is great; but top flight RB's are hard to come by and Vick is a decent backup option __________________
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10-10-2006, 10:33 AM	#7
ct FF Junkie Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $20713	I think you're losing more than you're gaining, given the way LdT is being utilized. This does very much depend on your scoring setup. For instance, I have Vick in my league, a heavy performance league scoring. We get big bonus for completion %, rush/receive avg. If Vick has a minimum 7 rushing attempts, he's eligible for big bonus, as he typically does get a big avg per carry. So, Vick is quite valueable in my league, but without that bonus, he's a chump. Foster and Thomas Jones aren't horrible, but not good either. However, if Vick's only gonna get you passing points, then that is indeed horrible, and I think you're losing ground overall. Given all that, LdT, Foster, and TJ would be very nice, and can cover for other weaknesses. Tough call, but I'd talk him out of more, feigning concern over Michael Turner. See how badly he really wants Peyton. Who are his QBs to get one back from him in addition to LdT?
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10-10-2006, 11:03 AM	#8
Kneemeyer Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Casino cash: $1050	Jake Delhomme is his QB. I thought about this route. My WR's are M. Harrison, P.Burress, blank...my third is skeptical week to week. If the trade went like this manning and d. foster for LT and m. muhammad from the bears. Then I have three great recievers. decent QB and LT...on paper that is pretty damn good. ...but i would lose manning to harrison....thats 12 points instantly everytime they connect....so tough.
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10-10-2006, 11:21 AM	#10
chop Go Chiefs! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $45081	Tomlinson hasn't done much lately but he is definitely worth trading any QB away to get him. I just traded S. Jackson and C. Williams to get him. I already had R. Brown and J. Jones on my bench and I thought he would be an upgrade but so far he has disappointed me. I still think he is a top 3 rb. I hope he gets back on track for me though. __________________ Never be satisfied with what you achieve, because it all pales in comparison with what you are capable of doing in the future.
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10-10-2006, 12:15 PM	#12
SBK Curry is the pick??? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Casino cash: $22487	I'd probably pass.
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10-10-2006, 12:31 PM	#13
Kneemeyer Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Casino cash: $1050	Yeah this is what I was afraid of.....it's just Manning's bye week and he has been "struggling" on his terms. I can't help but think manning for a top 3 running back (who ever that may be) is going to HELP my team. Vick won't be a HUGE lost at QB, and a stud back is going to make the difference for my team. What running back is worth a trade like manning?
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10-10-2006, 01:05 PM	#14
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $392845	vick isn't reliable ..... beware having him as your key QB.
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