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View Poll Results: If you had to choose only one of these, which would it be?
Democracy 20 35.09%
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Old 02-06-2007, 03:03 PM  
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If you were forced to choose between democray and free market capitalism...

... which would it be?

I know it may seem like an odd juxtaposition of beliefs that in this country typically go hand in hand... but I've noticed a trend in discussions lately that caused me to consider the question in this way.

Seems like an interesting discussion.

If you were forced to choose between living in a society defined by democracy (but for instance, the people voted for communism/socialism) or one defined by capitalism (but public policy is dictated by an autocratic government) which would you choose and why?
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:43 PM   #106
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jAZ must actually be bothered about the heat Obama's been taking lately and he's just bumping this thread because he wants to have a DC argument without actually spending his time making excuses for his idol. Like a nicotine patch of sorts.
Well, yeah.
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Old 06-20-2013, 02:00 PM   #107
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At this, point, my only answer has to be "anything in this thread at all".

But I'll give you a hint.
At this point I have to wonder if you even know what democracy is.
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Old 06-20-2013, 02:21 PM   #108
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Old 06-20-2013, 02:31 PM   #109
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jAZ weeping tears for Obama.

Cult of personality.
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Old 06-20-2013, 02:40 PM   #110
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Cult of personality.
I bet he's typed out a defense of Obama post in DC a dozen times and then deleted it before posting it.

It must hurt his feelings to see his hero criticized. Not that jAZ thinks Obama's done anything wrong, but it's kind of like Bieber fans just adoring him so much it causes pain to see anything bad written about him.
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:16 PM   #111
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At this point I have to wonder if you even know what democracy is.
Or if you know that Ron Paul has a son who said "Democracy… Gave Us Jim Crow".
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:28 PM   #112
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Your response was, "Well Bush was worse and there's really nothing to see here."

Does it make you sad when you read Obama take heat for NSA actions? It doesn't make you bump Obama out of your top 3 presidents ever or anything, does it?
That's your faulty reading of my response. In one sentence my response is, "I don't know yet, it's complicated, but I'm glad there's oversight because it's so ripe for potential abuse."

I'm not defending nor trashing the program.

I think we need some tool like this.

I think because it's so ripe for potential abuse, that it needs to be used with strict oversight. That was Bush's over reach. It's not clear yet, what Obama's over-reach is (or will be).
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:31 PM   #113
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Does "thoughtful" mean "snarky" or "evasive" in the high society environs you left behind to visit us?
What in my post #90 was "snarky" or "evasive"? I can't say this about all of my posts, but that one, the one I deemed "thoughtful" was in fact a straight answer to the question.
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:36 PM   #114
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I bet he's typed out a defense of Obama post in DC a dozen times and then deleted it before posting it.

It must hurt his feelings to see his hero criticized. Not that jAZ thinks Obama's done anything wrong, but it's kind of like Bieber fans just adoring him so much it causes pain to see anything bad written about him.
Why would ever you expect to common areas of criticism with someone who has largely opposite views from you? That doesn't even make any sense?

I would never expect you to support Obama and oppose Bush.

The things I am critical of Obama about, I'm sure you are happy about. That the public option wasn't included in ACA, for example.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:55 PM   #115
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Or if you know that Ron Paul has a son who said "Democracy… Gave Us Jim Crow".
Do you have any idea what he meant by that? Odds are...no.
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Or if you know that Ron Paul has a son who said "Democracy… Gave Us Jim Crow".
Well, it sure as hell wasn't the free market that gave us Jim Crow. That was all government.
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Well, it sure as hell wasn't the free market that gave us Jim Crow. That was all government.
It was the inherent oppressive ability of democracy that gave us Jim Crow laws. The majority taking advantage of the minority.
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Does "thoughtful" mean "snarky" or "evasive" in the high society environs you left behind to visit us?
It's ok. It's not like I expected a response other than something excusing Obama. There's no real value you could place on his opinion because he begins at the end result he wants (to say Obama: Good. Bush: Bad) and then just craft his reponses and thoughts around that.
So, really, is there any value in that?

I just like jabbing him because it's clear that he enjoyed attacking Bush for a lot of the same things Obama's doing.
I bet if I went and looked I could find a thread he started about the illegality of drone strikes.
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Well, it sure as hell wasn't the free market that gave us Jim Crow. That was all government.
That's right!
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Do you have any idea what he meant by that? Odds are...no.
It seems you are starting to catch up to the rest of us. That's good. And yes.
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