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Old 04-23-2007, 08:40 AM  
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:37 PM   #2236
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I have a 79 coupe deville with a 425 and a th400 trans.

Drove it to training camp this year and got just over 20 mpg. That car is the size of two or three cars made today. Why don't theselittle cars get better mileage?
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My thoughts exactly... Some of it comes from all that emissions bs on them now too...
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:41 PM   #2237
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My thoughts exactly... Some of it comes from all that emissions bs on them now too...
The comfort and safety features on today's cars also add weight. None of those listed are going to be very pleasant to drive, and they're all probably grossly underpowered when compared to today's cars as well.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:51 PM   #2238
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The comfort and safety features on today's cars also add weight. None of those listed are going to be very pleasant to drive, and they're all probably grossly underpowered when compared to today's cars as well.
Dude a1979 cadillac coupe deville.

What car out today weighs more than that ****er?
Big block and a four barrel carb.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:53 PM   #2239
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The comfort and safety features on today's cars also add weight. None of those listed are going to be very pleasant to drive, and they're all probably grossly underpowered when compared to today's cars as well.
Chevy Aveo weight 2568
Horsepower @RPM108@6400
Fuel Economy Cty/Hwy27/34



Ford escort (can't find weight)
Ford's first "World Car", the Escort, was introduced in the North American market for the model year 1981. The Ford Escort (a totally different version) had been available in other parts of the world as a rear wheel drive car from 1968-1980. The North American launch of the Escort coincided with the European release of the MK3 Escort. Ford Motor Company needed a new subcompact car to replace the outdated Pinto. The first Escort, and Mercury's version called the Lynx, was powered by a carbureted 1.6L 4 cylinder sporting a 2 barrel carburetor that produced 69 horsepower. The engines were SOHC (single overhead cam) designs and called the CVH, which stood for "Compound Angle Hemispherical" combustion chamber. This was "basic transportation" and needed more power under the hood. These cars were all front wheel drive, had independent 4-wheel suspension, rack & pinion steering, and a choice of a 3-speed automatic or 4-speed manual transmission. They were available as a 2-door hatchback or a 4-door wagon. Initially, there were a lot of recalls and build-quality problems. These engines suffered many head gasket failures due to having an aluminum cylinder head on an iron block. The fix was stretchable (one time use only) head bolts and a new cylinder head gasket design.




The point is they have been able to increase horse power as both sport a 1.6L engine.... but the MPG has decreased....

Remember that CRX or the Geo Metro with the 3 cyl engine? Why do they not make something like that now in mass production?
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:56 PM   #2240
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Remember that CRX or the Geo Metro with the 3 cyl engine? Why do they not make something like that now in mass production?
Or remember the Subaru Justy! Unfortunately they do mass produce cars like this, but only in Europe.

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Old 02-23-2011, 07:56 PM   #2241
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Dude a1979 cadillac coupe deville.

What car out today weighs more than that ****er?
Big block and a four barrel carb.
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Most of those cars listed get twice the hwy mpg you got with that Caddy. But I'll admit it's not bad for a tank like that.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:58 PM   #2242
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Chevy Aveo weight 2568
Horsepower @RPM108@6400
Fuel Economy Cty/Hwy27/34



Ford escort (can't find weight)
Ford's first "World Car", the Escort, was introduced in the North American market for the model year 1981. The Ford Escort (a totally different version) had been available in other parts of the world as a rear wheel drive car from 1968-1980. The North American launch of the Escort coincided with the European release of the MK3 Escort. Ford Motor Company needed a new subcompact car to replace the outdated Pinto. The first Escort, and Mercury's version called the Lynx, was powered by a carbureted 1.6L 4 cylinder sporting a 2 barrel carburetor that produced 69 horsepower. The engines were SOHC (single overhead cam) designs and called the CVH, which stood for "Compound Angle Hemispherical" combustion chamber. This was "basic transportation" and needed more power under the hood. These cars were all front wheel drive, had independent 4-wheel suspension, rack & pinion steering, and a choice of a 3-speed automatic or 4-speed manual transmission. They were available as a 2-door hatchback or a 4-door wagon. Initially, there were a lot of recalls and build-quality problems. These engines suffered many head gasket failures due to having an aluminum cylinder head on an iron block. The fix was stretchable (one time use only) head bolts and a new cylinder head gasket design.




The point is they have been able to increase horse power as both sport a 1.6L engine.... but the MPG has decreased....

Remember that CRX or the Geo Metro with the 3 cyl engine? Why do they not make something like that now in mass production?
Probably because very few people would actually buy them.
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:00 PM   #2243
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:01 PM   #2244
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Probably because very few people would actually buy them.
let gas get to 4 bucks a gallon and see how many are sold....
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:01 PM   #2245
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:03 PM   #2246
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let gas get to 4 bucks a gallon and see how many are sold....
Yeah, if those prices were sustained we'd all be reconsidering what we drive. And I'll admit that as much as I hate high gas prices, there's a little part of me that enjoys knowing that these tools that drive ginormous SUVs are getting their asses reamed.
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:48 PM   #2247
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Most of those cars listed get twice the hwy mpg you got with that Caddy. But I'll admit it's not bad for a tank like that.
I was comparing my car to the cars produced today. Not the ones on the list. If that car can get 20 mpg the average 4cyl car made today should get 50 imo
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:36 PM   #2248
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I was comparing my car to the cars produced today. Not the ones on the list. If that car can get 20 mpg the average 4cyl car made today should get 50 imo
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