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Old 05-29-2007, 08:26 PM  
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Plame was covert

We already knew this, but for the flat earthers out there - one more time:

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Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leak
Newly released unclassified document details CIA employment


WASHINGTON - An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.

The summary is part of an attachment to Fitzgerald's memorandum to the court supporting his recommendation that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former top aide, spend 2-1/2 to 3 years in prison for obstructing the CIA leak investigation.

The nature of Plame's CIA employment never came up in Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice trial.

Undercover travel
The unclassified summary of Plame's employment with the CIA at the time that syndicated columnist Robert Novak published her name on July 14, 2003 says, "Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."

Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The employment history indicates that while she was assigned to CPD, Plame, "engaged in temporary duty travel overseas on official business." The report says, "she traveled at least seven times to more than ten times." When overseas Plame traveled undercover, "sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias -- but always using cover -- whether official or non-official (NOC) -- with no ostensible relationship to the CIA."

Criminal prosecution beat national security
After the Novak column was published and Plame's identity was widely reported in the media, and according to the document, "the CIA lifted Ms Wilson's cover" and then "rolled back her cover" effective to the date of the leak.

The CIA determined, "that the public interest in allowing the criminal prosecution to proceed outweighed the damage to national security that might reasonably be expected from the official disclosure of Ms. Wilson's employment and cover status."....
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:30 PM   #2
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Valerie Plame hated America and loves the terrorists. She's an enemy to freedom.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:32 PM   #3
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The question I would ask might have something to do with what was the exact nature of her 'covert' operations?

Some of that type of activity is only covert to hide the fact that someone is part of any agency the gov doesn't want disclosed. Somewhat like the Air Force guys that were assigned to Lima Site 85 in Laos in March of 1968. All AF with Lockheed ID's. All MIA or KIA.

I seriously doubt that Plame was involved in any covert activities that were very sensitive. I would also surmise that her outing was of very little bother to the CIA. Minor players have minor impact.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:40 PM   #4
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She may well have been covert. As I understand IIPA, however, that's not enough.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:41 PM   #5
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The question I would ask might have something to do with what was the exact nature of her 'covert' operations?

Some of that type of activity is only covert to hide the fact that someone is part of any agency the gov doesn't want disclosed. Somewhat like the Air Force guys that were assigned to Lima Site 85 in Laos in March of 1968. All AF with Lockheed ID's. All MIA or KIA.

I seriously doubt that Plame was involved in any covert activities that were very sensitive. I would also surmise that her outing was of very little bother to the CIA. Minor players have minor impact.
good lord...I thought only patteau was that stupid

let me guess, outing a CIA covert operative for politcal reasons = supporting the troops and loving America?

Serving your country means nothing...Counterproliferation is minor...if a Republican says so.

Obstruction of justice and perjury, also laudable...if you're a Republican.

I bet if we hang around long enough Kotter will show up and demand we impeach Clinton again.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:43 PM   #6
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She may well have been covert. As I understand IIPA, however, that's not enough.
may?

water may be wet?
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:45 PM   #7
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may?

water may be wet?
Like I said, that's still not enough for violate the law.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:48 PM   #8
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Well, I believed her when she was covert in that televised hearing after the Libby case went down. My libertarian sources said she was all along.

She said she was no longer able to do the work she was trained to do.

Libby and Cheney should pay her a huge severance salary for 15 years as a remedy though instead of what... 26-30 years in jail. That's a bit too much time for that imo.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:49 PM   #9
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Well, I believed her when she was covert in that televised hearing after the Libby case went down. My libertarian sources said she was all along.

She said she was no longer able to do the work she was trained to do.

Libby and Cheney should pay her a huge severance salary for 15 years as a remedy though instead of what... 26-30 years in jail. That's a bit too much time for that imo.
What law did they violate?
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:59 PM   #10
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good lord...I thought only patteau was that stupid

let me guess, outing a CIA covert operative for politcal reasons = supporting the troops and loving America?

Serving your country means nothing...Counterproliferation is minor...if a Republican says so.

Obstruction of justice and perjury, also laudable...if you're a Republican.

I bet if we hang around long enough Kotter will show up and demand we impeach Clinton again.
again?

that made me chuckle...

but seriously, don't give him any ideas...
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What law did they violate?
Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982 (50 U.S.C. 421 et seq.)
(governing disclosures that could expose confidential Government agents)



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[Laws in effect as of January 6, 1997]
[Document not affected by Public Laws enacted between
January 6, 1997 and November 30, 1998]
[CITE: 50USC421]

TITLE 50--WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE

CHAPTER 15--NATIONAL SECURITY

SUBCHAPTER IV--PROTECTION OF CERTAIN NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION
Sec. 421. Protection of identities of certain United States
undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and
sources
(a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had access to
classified information that identifies covert agent

Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified
information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any
information identifying such covert agent to any individual not
authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the
information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the
United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert
agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined
not more than $50,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(b) Disclosure of information by persons who learn identity of covert
agents as result of having access to classified information

Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified
information, learns the identify of a covert agent and intentionally
discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any
individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing
that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that
the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert
agent's intelligence relationship to the United States,
shall be fined
not more than $25,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.


etc. etc.
Seems like a tort as well. But I'm no lawyer.
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What law did they violate?


Intelligence Identities Protection Act
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Nor am I, thank God. But I was under the impression that in order to violate IIPA, the person had to knowingly and intentionally expose a covert officer or agent.

Did Libby or Cheney know that Plame was covert spook?
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Old 05-29-2007, 09:18 PM   #15
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Plame was covert
So what?

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Libby and Cheney should pay her a huge severance salary for 15 years as a remedy though instead of what... 26-30 years in jail. That's a bit too much time for that imo.
Why should they pay anything at all? It's not clear that anyone broke the operative law and besides, it was Richard Armitage who exposed her.
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