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Old 06-02-2007, 12:25 AM  
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Immigration Bill - my thoughts

If you want to read a professional column then you can pass on this thread. This thread is to express my thoughts and discuss them with my Planet bretheren.

1st - Any fence is a waste of money, but 370 miles of fence on a 2000+ mile border is a total waste and just silly.

2nd - I am in favor of amnesty but lets call it that and make the screening process allow for more than 24 hours.

3rd - A guest worker program is a great idea but lets limit it to people who speak English (I know this is un-PC) to facilitate immersion of the hispanics into our culture.

4th - Illegals applying for amnesty will be given a SS# but must work under that number for a minimum of 10 years to be eligible for any benefits.

5th - Emergency room care is for emergency patients, you don't have insurance you are not getting free care any longer unless it is really an emergency case. Triage to determine eligibility, no insurance, no recourse.

6th - End the automatic citizenship for children born to illegals (again here I break with the PC rules)

7th - We need to make it easier to immigrate legally, we have a rapidly retiring work force and frankly we will need the workers very soon.

8th - No welfare unless you are a citizen or a legal resident for at least 5 years.

9th - Bring the troops home and set them up along our borders guarding the borders (not a violation of Posse Commitas IMO as they are guarding against invaders).

10th - Give Mexico most favored nation trading status to facilitate growth in their economy. If their economy improves then less people will want to immigrate.

Those are my ideas, what do you think?
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Old 06-02-2007, 12:35 AM   #2
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I find little to disagree with on 1 through 8.

Regarding #10, Mexico already has MFN status. Most Favored Nation trading status is a misnomer, because of all the countries in the world, currently only North Korea and Cuba are being denied MFN status with the United States.

All it really means is that we will not favor another nation over an MFN nation on tariffs. MFN does not impact non-tariff embargoes. (e.g. we had difficult and highly restrictive trading relations with many middle-east countries in the past without technically revoking MFN)
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Old 06-02-2007, 12:37 AM   #3
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I agree with all of them, with the exception of #10, with which I'm not sure. I read some of your comments regarding this earlier, but am not well-versed enough in the legalese regarding the "status" to make an honest judgement.

Well thought out though.
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Old 06-02-2007, 12:37 AM   #4
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I find little to disagree with on 1 through 8.

Regarding #10, Mexico already has MFN status. Most Favored Nation trading status is a misnomer, because of all the countries in the world, currently only North Korea and Cuba are being denied MFN status with the United States.

All it really means is that we will not favor another nation over an MFN nation on tariffs. MFN does not impact non-tariff embargoes. (e.g. we had difficult and highly restrictive trading relations in the past with many middle-east countries in the past without technically revoking MFN)
Interesting. What do you think of 9, you said you had little to disagree with on 1-8 but you did not comment on 9.
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Old 06-02-2007, 12:38 AM   #5
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I agree with all of them, with the exception of #10, with which I'm not sure. I read some of your comments regarding this earlier, but am not well-versed enough in the legalese regarding the "status" to make an honest judgement.

Well thought out though.
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Old 06-02-2007, 12:39 AM   #6
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Interesting. What do you think of 9, you said you had little to disagree with on 1-8 but you did not comment on 9.
I'll punt. To be completely honest, I am torn on the Iraq issue, I do not have the clarity I had as recently as a few months ago.
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Old 06-02-2007, 01:08 AM   #7
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I'll punt. To be completely honest, I am torn on the Iraq issue, I do not have the clarity I had as recently as a few months ago.
I think you are in growing company on that.
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Old 06-02-2007, 01:23 AM   #8
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I think #5 is ridiculous. Let me give you an example of someone who should absolutely not be denied medical attention. Person has a mental disorder. Jumps from job to job because medication is not as effective as it is for some. Low level wages, pre existing condition clauses in health plans, and a necessity to have access to a doctor for medication evaluations or breakdowns. The same thing goes for physical ailments rather than mental ones. We have a responsibility as a country who's willing to feed the world, to at least provide some basic doctor access to EVERY American.

I'll jump on the bandwagon and bitch about a lot of taxes. The poor take a beating as it is, at some point we have to stop taking everything away from them. There are some misfortunate souls out there who didn't have the luck of winning the genetic lottery, they may pay less in taxes, but what they pay impacts their lives far greater. It's not a choice for them between a motorcycle or a sea doo. It's a choice between Pork steak or Top Ramen.
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Old 06-02-2007, 01:35 AM   #9
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I think #5 is ridiculous. Let me give you an example of someone who should absolutely not be denied medical attention. Person has a mental disorder. Jumps from job to job because medication is not as effective as it is for some. Low level wages, pre existing condition clauses in health plans, and a necessity to have access to a doctor for medication evaluations or breakdowns. The same thing goes for physical ailments rather than mental ones. We have a responsibility as a country who's willing to feed the world, to at least provide some basic doctor access to EVERY American.

I'll jump on the bandwagon and bitch about a lot of taxes. The poor take a beating as it is, at some point we have to stop taking everything away from them. There are some misfortunate souls out there who didn't have the luck of winning the genetic lottery, they may pay less in taxes, but what they pay impacts their lives far greater. It's not a choice for them between a motorcycle or a sea doo. It's a choice between Pork steak or Top Ramen.
I am talking about an overburdened system. The emergency room is for emergency care not care of every medical condition that can befall an individual. Seriously if we want to set up clinics for that sort of care then lets fund them and do it straight out.
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Old 06-02-2007, 01:49 AM   #10
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Seriously if we want to set up clinics for that sort of care then lets fund them and do it straight out.
Funded by federal dollars? State? County? City? Funded "straight out" from who's pockets specifically?
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Old 06-02-2007, 01:53 AM   #11
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Funded by federal dollars? State? County? City? Funded "straight out" from who's pockets specifically?
If you are going to do it right it will take federal tax and federal funding. I personally think a National Health Insurance is a better idea than that, but this is a compromise that would be less like socialized medicine for everyone.
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If you are going to do it right it will take federal tax and federal funding.
Well I'm not willing to do it right, then I guess.

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I personally think a National Health Insurance is a better idea than that, but this is a compromise that would be less like socialized medicine for everyone.
How is this a compromise, Logical? How is this "less like socialized medicine?"
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Old 06-02-2007, 02:35 AM   #13
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Well I'm not willing to do it right, then I guess.



How is this a compromise, Logical? How is this "less like socialized medicine?"
Socialized medicine would have all of us using the system, not just those who cannot afford private insurance.
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Socialized medicine would have all of us using the system, not just those who cannot afford private insurance.
But then anyone who decides not to self-insure will be eligible? No thanks.
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But then anyone who decides not to self-insure will be eligible? No thanks.
I am thinking that it would be like insurance for the bad driver who cannot get regular insurance. Sort of minimal coverage that handles the basics but no fringe coverage. No inducement to drop good coverage if you can afford it.
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