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Old 06-19-2007, 09:58 PM  
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Body, Mind, Soul, Spirit

At the suggestion of another member I decided to start a thread aimed at a more general theological premise. Most of my current studies concern the relation between mystical experiences correlated with our knowledge of psychology and sensory experience. But instead of just telling you what I think, I'd first like to hear what you think, such as:

Most modern philosophies include sensory perception (sensibilia) and intellectual interpretation (intelligibilia). Does yours also include any form of transcendental apprehension or dimension (transcendilia)?

If not, why not?

If so, how do you imagine such a connection works?

Here are a couple of standard models to give you an iea if you need help formulating. The first is a depiction of what is commonly known as "The Great Chain of Being" or "the perrineal philosophy". The second is a depiction of that philosophy expressed in many of the great wisdom traditions:



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Old 06-19-2007, 10:09 PM   #2
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Old 06-19-2007, 10:11 PM   #3
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Old 06-19-2007, 10:13 PM   #4
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I think you can only substantially build human knowledge with collective reasoning, a logic that needs to be shared by the largest of groups of people.

You can't build that collective reasoning with transcendancism or spiritual/supernatural encounters. You have to build it through verifiable experience and the logic of "intelligibilia," as you call it.
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Old 06-19-2007, 10:15 PM   #5
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I think you can only substantially build human knowledge with collective reasoning, a logic that needs to be shared by the largest of groups of people.

You can't build that collective reasoning with transcendancism or spiritual/supernatural encounters. You have to build it through verifiable experience and the logic of "intelligibilia," as you call it.
Timothy Leary say nuh-huh.
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Old 06-19-2007, 10:21 PM   #6
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Now see, I'd make some changes to this but I believe in the heirarchy you have here. Soul & spirit are the same to me as is theology and mysticism ( I think?) ...at least on the same plane. I'd add philosophy at the very top as it is a subject that borrows from all subjects below descending down to physical matter. I had a chart like that in philosophy; just a tad different. Therefore, I think awareness levels and consciousness, both spiritual qualities have to be included in solutions for what ails man.
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Old 06-19-2007, 10:21 PM   #7
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I think you can only substantially build human knowledge with collective reasoning, a logic that needs to be shared by the largest of groups of people.

You can't build that collective reasoning with transcendancism or spiritual/supernatural encounters. You have to build it through verifiable experience and the logic of "intelligibilia," as you call it.
So, IYHO existential existence and experiences are all that really matters in life? Is that correct?
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Old 06-19-2007, 10:27 PM   #8
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Old 06-19-2007, 10:32 PM   #9
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So, IYHO existential existence and experiences are all that really matters in life? Is that correct?
No, I believe experiences are one of two prongs needed to make significant strides in our collective knowledge of the universe around us.

Cold, hard logic is the other.
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Please, tell me you did NOT just pull the "Grammar Nazi" card?!

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If you mean me, Kotter, no I wasn't making a grammatical correction at all...I was implying something deeper than that. I don't think I've ever corrected someone's grammar.
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No, I believe experiences are one of two prongs needed to make significant strides in our collective knowledge of the universe around us.

Cold, hard logic is the other.
Logic is "the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference." You have still confined yourself to the existential realm. So my question bears repeating:


So, IYHO existential existence and experiences are all that really matters in life? Is that correct?
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If you mean me, Kotter, no I wasn't making a grammatical correction at all...I was implying something deeper than that. I don't think I've ever corrected someone's grammar.
Whew! Good. Now I have to figure out what you were getting at....
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Logic is "the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference." You have still confined yourself to the existential realm. So my question bears repeating:

So, IYHO existential existence and experiences are all that really matters in life? Is that correct?
You lost me.
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Old 06-19-2007, 10:44 PM   #15
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I'm going to be preoccupied tomorrow morning, so let me give you an additional question to bat around until I get back:

Is there a difference between stages of consciousness and states of consciousness? If so, how do you differentiate them, define them?

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