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Old 07-01-2007, 01:26 PM  
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All Star Snubs...

Which Snub disgusts you the most?

Mine is Orlando Cabrera--SS--LA Angels.

Not only is he not going to start the AS Game, but he may not even be there. His numbers at the plate are equal if not better than Jeters'.

OC--Avg...338 5 HR OBP .835 RBI 48
Jeter Avg...335 5 HR OBP .408 RBI 38

Fielding

OC --.998 4 errors (#1 in the league)

Jeter--.966 12 errors

I'm so irritated by the voting process and all these talking heads saying that Jeter should be the starter...
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:27 PM   #2
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:27 PM   #3
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:32 PM   #4
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Good call on the stats, Carlota - When was the last year Jeter actually deserved his spot I wonder?
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:36 PM   #5
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Good call on the stats, Carlota - When was the last year Jeter actually deserved his spot I wonder?
Looks like 2002 was his last year of "greatness"...I guess people could argue 2003--but this year--he's pretty bad in the field and decent at the plate, but certainly not All-Star worthy.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:40 PM   #6
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Cabrera's OBP seems a little off...

*it's 379
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:43 PM   #7
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Cabrera's OBP seems a little off...

*it's 379
Your right...The Angels Gameday stats are Dyslexic...380 OBP--
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:26 PM   #8
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Thats why I think fans and sports announcers should not be able to vote period.. They are biased and ignorant most of the time.. Most of the East/West Coast bias never even looks the other way let alone the Midwest..


It should basically go over who has the best stats period for offensive players.. Defense gets a little more leeway (say for pitchers who don't get wins because their offense sucks)
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:34 PM   #9
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:38 PM   #10
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Guillen should be starting at short.
Agreed.

Then again, I quit watching the ASG when it began determining HFA for the World Series.

If fans are voting, it should be an exhibition, nothing more.

If MLB wants some meaning behind it, the Managers of each league should have 100% power building a roster.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:13 PM   #11
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Jeter is a good player, but he will just get in from here on out on popularity. There are younger players that sure deserve to go thats for sure. It really sucks that all-star/probowl games are like that. I understand why though.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:17 PM   #12
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Aramis Ramirez was fifth in votes by a long shot at 3rd base even though he has better numbers than David Wright who looks like he is going to walk away with the starting spot.
Ramirez: 15 HR 47RBI .306 avg .354 OBP .566 SLG
Wright: 14HR 44RBI .288 avg .378 OBP .505 SLG
It should also be noted that he has played 17 less games as well or else Wright would't even be close to the RBI and HR totals.
I do not however think Ramirez is being snubbed completely...just being snubbed by the wrong guy. Miquel Cabrera has 57RBI 17HR and a .328 avg.
Also how is Rolen even on the list? Something about this needs to be fixed. I do believe the west conferences have a lot of players miss for the fact that there games are on too late for a lot of fans to even care about if your favorite team isn't in those conferences. I never pay attention to the west coast unless a team from the central divisions are playing out there.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:21 PM   #13
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Aramis Ramirez was fifth in votes by a long shot at 3rd base even though he has better numbers than David Wright who looks like he is going to walk away with the starting spot.
Ramirez: 15 HR 47RBI .306 avg .354 OBP .566 SLG
Wright: 14HR 44RBI .288 avg .378 OBP .505 SLG
It should also be noted that he has played 17 less games as well or else Wright would't even be close to the RBI and HR totals.
I do not however think Ramirez is being snubbed completely...just being snubbed by the wrong guy. Miquel Cabrera has 57RBI 17HR and a .328 avg.
Also how is Rolen even on the list? Something about this needs to be fixed. I do believe the west conferences have a lot of players miss for the fact that there games are on too late for a lot of fans to even care about if your favorite team isn't in those conferences. I never pay attention to the west coast unless a team from the central divisions are playing out there.
Wright also has 17 SBs. He plays for a top National League team. I actually think the timing of Aramis' injury hurt him....out of sight, out of mind.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:31 PM   #14
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Looks like 2002 was his last year of "greatness"...I guess people could argue 2003--but this year--he's pretty bad in the field and decent at the plate, but certainly not All-Star worthy.
Jeter is bad in the field? He won the gold glove at shortstop each of the last 3 seasons.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:33 PM   #15
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Wright also has 17 SBs. He plays for a top National League team. I actually think the timing of Aramis' injury hurt him....out of sight, out of mind.
I believe Wright is a good player don't get me wrong but he seemed to walk away with the votes all year although he has the 3rd best numbers of 3B. Being on a top NL team might help but his votes didn't fall much when they went on the dreadful start of June.
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